On 8/28/06, Dan Plesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not my solution, that's why it's free and open. It would be nice if > someone could run benchmarks on the different kinds > of things you can create and use. Even the two different kinds protocols > the > server object uses could be tested.
All the benchmarks I saw put HSQLDB pretty far up there... speed wise. I don't think it would be a very good data-warehouse... the largest object size seems to be around a megabyte... it does handle up to 8 gig databases now though... that's pretty big. Relatively speaking... I did run and test Derby and your welcome to that code as well Denny! Of course you did Dan. :-P You're the man! Thanks for sharing!! You know, open source is really the ONLY software you can run without having to worry about it "packing up and leaving". It's impossible; the blue-print is right there. "Real" proprietary code (or concepts??) is where you could get left high and dry. Logically. I'm not saying MS will fold in the next year or so, but from a theoretical perspective, at least with an open architecture, nothing is "hidden" from you, there is nothing to be "taken away". I don't know WHAT ms is doing behind the scenes. Sure I could do all the nifty stuff, reverse-engineering and whatever, but... what a crap load of work for something you can't even use once you figure out. Sell to the blackmarket, maybe, but... um... bleh. As for Oracle and MS-SQL... well, maybe you get what you pay for... maybe... there are some interesting stats for various databases that make me wonder if the big O (sorry, that's pl SLASH sql ;) is really worth as much as a pretty awesome car. You're paying for way more than just the raw meat you need to get the job done, I'd wager. Lawyers, PR folks... but that's probably a bigger reason than the actual power of the DB... to use it, I mean. Maybe I'm just eating the sweet, sweet candy that is "Open" databases, and it's smoke and mirrors... I sure haven't tested them against [a properly configured, optimized, whathaveyou] oracle... they do "work" tho... I mean, we're loading a bunch of data into RAM anyways, when you get down to it. Cache is king, right? I can't help but think that you can get around any bottleneck... I personally find it funny that there are times where it is literally faster to drive a truck full of data cross-country than to do it in the aether. At least a little funny... same concept here though... plenty of times I've just popped a drive out o one thing and popped it into another... that's way faster... eh... Data-warehousing is different though, if I'm thinking of the right kind of data-warehousing (Lets you search through tera's of info pretty quick?) Guess you'd need some clustering to get that going good in something smaller. Ha! And that's one of the things I was thinking about when Dave said the Web isn't a place for fast "little" db's. Seems alot like the raging argument (for years and years, mind) concerning "distributed" applications and "server" applications. Or these "thin clients" and whatnot. 'Seen it go round and round, since the days of yore. Yin is better... No, Yang is the Only Way! No, wait, Yang-Yin! Hrm... close... close... :-) Probably pretty core to the human condition, really... Individualistic, yet social, alone in a sea of people, brain's in two pieces, etc., etc.. We try and try to pull it all together, ABSOLUTELY together, which is what screws us. If we would just realize it's already roughly there... And roughly is good enough... Which brings us back to the SP idea. And implicit and explicit and whatnot. Info in one place, or near by, at least. Why we have to know SQL as well as CF. All that jazz! Doesn't really matter. There are ways of mitigating bad stuff, propagating good stuff... doesn't really matter the forum or media. I wouldn't shy away from something just because it's different though*. Personally, I have, for years been watching these little databases, and distributed computing/synchronization, and the big databases, and how they can all get along. I have to say the little fast guys are going to play a part, if I can guess even a little. Did I mention I just got a new Cell phone? Can you BELIEVE the stuff that's out there now? Sheesh. Amazing. Simply amazing. In 2 years! Leaps and bounds. Leaps and bounds! (my old cell was @ 2yrs). It makes my nipples hard. And it makes me curious about how I can code for all of it. At once. LOL. I might be getting a little absolute there... Anyways, I think the most valid argument for doing stuff in the DB is, obviously, for doing stuff in the DB. I'm just not too sure Oracle is where I want to spend my time. Did you know homecheese wants to start a super database (along with the Prez) of everyone, with chips & whatnot so we can stop these terrerristts? Semi-scary, and not a reason to not use Oracle, but still... And MS-SQL is insanely easy. I mean, you drag and drop relationships! Seems more boring than Oracle. At least with the big-O (heh, not the robot), you ahve to fuss around with the stuff. Might as well go all AD and REALLY make it all into one big ball o fun. AD == Active Directory. Bah. A good DBA futses around anyways... there is always stuff to do, no matter the system, right? Maybe more so on /some/ systems... Bah. Division is good anyways; keeps us all from getting sick at the same time; Yup, a Good Thing. Keeps us working too. So SP away, but maybe have the SQL for those SP's in the CF somewhere, just so the "next guy" will know what's going on. Keep an eye on when you use "special" db related functions, and think (ahead of time) how you would port it, if/when you have to do so. Yeah. Another long and not too specific post from me. Yay! *don't you hate it when you can't find that little asterisk? When you KNOW it, (and maybe it's doubled cousin,) is hanging out somewhere below [or off to the side, sometimes :] ? Heh. Anyways; I do shy away from what's popular, in general, due to not being "cool", long ago, so I'm pretty bad as far as trying different stuff sometimes myself. 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