Phillip, 

Well written.  I agree 100%.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996.
> 
> I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# to Java
> is
> remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. However, I
> must
> agree with you and also add that ASP.NET 2.0 is faster / requires less
> hardware to host the same ap. It has built in enterprise session
> capability
> that allows your SQL database to track your session state and much more.
> 
> After about 6 months of learning / using .NET, I don't see myself using
> ColdFusion as a recommended middleware for large scale sites or clients
> that
> are on a budget. The company that I work for HAD the highest traffic
> ColdFusion site on the planet.
> 
> Here is a situation similar to mine:
> http://members.microsoft.com/CustomerEvidence/Common/FileOpen.aspx?FileNam
> e=
> 10625_ComputerJobs_bizversion_300k.wvx
> 
> The thing that I don't agree with that CJ.com said was about the number of
> developers it took to maintain the sites pre / post conversion. They must
> have had some code org. issues, because that has been the same for us.
> 
> Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless Adobe
> adopts
> a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply put, with .NET and
> Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share whilst
> continuing
> to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the only game in town
> and
> they need to start acting like it.
> 
> I pains me to write this publicly about CF. So please no flames. I hate it
> just as much as the next CF'er. However, I am relieved that I have finally
> learned .NET because the .NET to CF job ratio is about 100:1 at least.
> Holding on exclusively to a versus mentality will only hurt yourself in
> the
> end.
> 
> 
> 
> --Phil
> 
> ===========>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> 
> I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in
> development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of
> original ASP.  Now that ASP.NET has a top-notch visual designer, there are
> times when coding an ASP.NET application can be even faster than CF -
> given
> that the programmers knowledge of both is equal.
> 
> Steve Brownlee
> http://www.fusioncube.net/
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:57 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations?
> >
> > Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in .NET still
> > valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone expert on say Asp.Net
> > ... I just know VB myself,
> >
> > TK
> 
> 
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