Thanks for the perspective, Charlie. Rick
> -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:47 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Waaahhhh! Why won't my CFC work! > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Rick Faircloth > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > if a "program" should become unavailable. Now, depending on > > a "foundation" program, such as CF is a little different than > > what I'm talking about. > > if Model-Glue (or Fusebox or Mach-ii or ColdBox or... ) were to cease > all development today, your existing code would still work fine, no > different than if ColdFusion were to stop being produced. > > > But no, I have never used Dreamweaver, and, after using Eclipse > > for a few months, I gave it up. Not because Eclipse wasn't suitable... > > it didn't generate any code for me...but because I couldn't get it to > > function with CFE, SVN, and FTP the way I wanted. It was my fault, but > > I just needed to put it aside for the time being to get some work done. > > > > And yes, Subversion, like Windows, is a tool I use in my work, but it > > doesn't do the work for me. Subversion just watches my back as I work. > > Ah, I thought you had gone from DW to Eclipse and back. Either way, I > wasn't trying to single out a particular IDE. Just whatever IDE you > were using :) > > A framework doesn't do your work for you either. Just like a hammer > doesn't build a house... it's just a tool that you use to make your > life easier. Is there a learning curve? Sure. Just like any tool, > you need to invest time to learn how to use it properly. a hammer > might not be the best example here... i'm fairly certain even will > tomlinson can use a hammer. But you get my point. It's a consistent > way of doing what you do now. You just need to learn that way. > > > But the whole point about Model Glue or any other framework is that > > it probably does a lot of stuff I wouldn't understand, and if something > > went wrong, then I might not be able to fix it. Now, I'm just expressing > > a view from a perspective of ignorance, not having used any frameworks. > > That's why I said I'd take a look...I would just do it with some > > trepidation. > > Again, learning curve. Sure, it'll do stuff you don't understand. At > first. The first time I saw Model-Glue code I was pretty overwhelmed. > Not sure what you mean by "if something went wrong". If something > goes wrong, it throws an error (and you can output debug info to the > screen), and you debug it just like any non-frameworked code. most of > the frameworks have a mailing list as well. > > > I just like to avoid dependence unless it's necessary or there's a > > great benefit from the risk. > > I still don't really view it as a "dependency" as much as a tool. > Either way, I'm not trying to ruffle feathers or rile the > non-framework crowd. I just wanted you to look at it in the proper > perspective, whichever route you choose to go. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:307895 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
