Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments.
> > I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is > dying a very slow death: why are you the > > one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community > these days? > > CFLib is Ray's "responsibility" because it's his. It's not Adobe's. > It's not "the community's". > > > How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would > show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is? > > How would those differ from the simple tutorials posted in the past? > The fundamentals of CF really haven't changed that much, have they? > > > The signs are everywhere: this list has very little "new blood". > > Well, people see what they want to see. What you see as a negative, I > see as a positive - CF is a mature language, and has mature > developers. Perhaps people don't post as many simple questions to the > list because they've all been asked and answered, and you can easily > find said answers with a simple Google search. All that said, I still > see lots of beginner and intermediate questions here and on the Adobe > forums. > > > The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with > stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing > > to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in > those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the > choir. > > I think you misunderstand the purpose of these blogs. For the most > part, they don't exist to convert people to CF or promote CF, etc. > They exist to scratch an itch of their authors. People blog about the > things that interest them. > > > Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not > allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive > financial benefit from. > > Every time I see this argument - whether it's Adobe, Macromedia or > Allaire not allocating enough resources - I just don't know where to > begin. The product is successful. It's a niche product - it's never > going to take over the world - but it's successful. > > > Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it > would be much better if the powerful voices in the community > acknowledged > > that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. > Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my > > opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who > disagree with it. > > Presumably, the "powerful voices in the community" have work to do. > They use CF because it helps them do that work faster and better. > Unless they're actually Adobe employees, they're not product > evangelists and they don't get paychecks from Adobe. > > As for "attacking the messenger": the worst I've seen is that you've > been called a troll. And your behavior certainly matches that > description even if it's not your intent. You posted something that's > been regularly posted for the ten or more years I've been on this > list. What do you expect the outcome to be? Adobe will start spending > more money on marketing, etc, because now you posted this? The > "powerful voices in the community" will finally see the light or > something? No. There is no real justification for posting "CF is > dying" on a CF developers list - there is no positive outcome > possible, and it has the effect of trolling whether that's what you > wanted or not. > > You want things to be different? Make them different yourself. Write > the blog posts you want to see. Be the evangelist you want others to > be. Lead by example. But this ... this is no way to accomplish > anything other than getting a bunch of people riled up over nothing. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348606 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
