And what makes Java less proprietary than C++? Last I heard, Sun pulled it
from the standards committee. Suggesting that Java would be opened up, was
one maneuver in Sun's marketing campaign to regain market share lost to Open
Source alternatives to their products:
http://www.wired.com/news/topstories/0,1287,19413,00.html
In fact, if the language that your application server was written in had
anything to do with the "openness" of the application server, being written
in C++ would make ColdFusion far more open. But, of course, the language the
server is written in has little to nothing to do with the openness of the
server itself.
Benjamin S. Rogers
Web Developer, c4.net
voice: (508) 240-0051
fax: (508) 240-0057
-----Original Message-----
From: DeVoil, Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 4:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: CF in Europe
Well this is a completely subjective view but my perception is that
CF is considered quite a hot technology here in the UK.
I don't know, but I believe the relative strength of CF versus ASP
is stronger in the US than in Europe because a lot of people in the US
started building web apps before ASP came out or was usable.
By the time the UK got started, ASP was a viable option, and no-one ever
got fired for buying Microsoft products, as they used to say of IBM.
Allaire's reputation for quality doesn't seem to be perfect, but then
neither is Microsoft's.
Maybe PHP is popular in Europe because it was invented here & is largely
developed here. But I think decent-sized organisations here tend to steer
clear of open source - Apache being something of an exception. They don't
trust it.
They also like standards. I think that's CF's weakest point from a
marketing point of view is that it's seen as a proprietary, closed
solution.
I believe CF's move to Java will be a big help in this respect.
I worked for one company that moved from PHP to Java because they saw Java
as a standard. When they find out how complicated Java systems can be,
maybe they'll be in the market for a rapid web app development tool based
on the Java platform....
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Pichler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 7:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Slightly OT: CF in Europe
Even though we just touched the subject in another thread i'd like to start
a new one where we "air" our thoughts on the future of CF in Europe since it
seems like CF is a "failure" so far over there!
The reason being that i'm probably moving back to Europe soon and i would
really hate to switch over to ASP/PHP.
Allan Pichler
Machine Dreams Inc.
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