I'll have to add my $0.000002 now, I almost did earlier.  I've been
hacking around on PCs and schtuff for years.  Recently I have noticed
that there is a growing difference between what we know as a Developer
and what we know as a Programmer.  IMHO, this is a natural progression
of 'encapsulation' in the market.  That said, I view Ultra Dev as a
developers tool and CF Studio as a programmers tool.   IE programmers
tend to type, developers tend to drag n drop.  Please don't take this
as an insult if you are in one of these groups, or both, it is just an
observation from a geek who strives to not touch his mouse.  I used
the term encapsulation since, in an abstract sense, this is what is
happening.  Like the progression of 1g --> 2g --> 3g --> etcc
programming.

Again, this ain't no invite for uh year long flamin thread!   (<--
another example of abstract encapsulation!)

cheers!

-----
Douglas Knudsen
Leveraged Technologies Group <!-- My views, all mine! -->
Alltel AIS
Got Linux? http://linuxmall.com






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AT INTERNET on 03/29/2001 03:08 PM

To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] AT INTERNET@CCMAIL
cc:    (bcc: Douglas Knudsen/ATL/ALLTELCORP)

Subject:  Re: Ultra Dev 4


It sure IS a developer's environment.  Even more so than CF Studio,
although
it's still a little rough around the edges.  If you have a section of
code
that you use often you can make a server behavior out of it so that
next
time you need it you can just drop it on the page.  This is much
better than
using code snippets, because you can have user-defined attributes that
allow
you to browse to file paths, pick database columns, image URLS.  I
have to
say that after coding CF by hand using Studio, UltraDev probably
doubles the
output I can normally achieve.  Not to mention the fact that you can
whip up
quick sites with basic functionality in a matter of minutes using
built-in
server behaviors.

Also, you can view a page in Live Data mode that you wrote in CFStudio
and
see how it will look in the browser.  This is better than just
browsing the
file and then going back and tweaking the code -- you can tweak the
code or
the design in real-time and watch it change instantly.  I'm sure the
next
version of UD will be more CF friendly, but for now it's pretty damn
good.
It will never replace Studio, but you can use the two together much
more
effectively than either one by itself.

tom
www.basic-ultradev.com



"zac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Rick Eidson wrote:
>
> > I use Studio is it a good idea to move to UltraDev?
>
> No. Not at all. Ultradev isn't a developer's environment. Its a
visual
tool
> to help visualise the look and feel of pages created in dynamic
systems.
>
> Basically its DreamWeaver with more CF/ASP/JSP functionality built
into
it.
> But it won't replace CF Studio (nor should it if any
Allaire/Macromedia
> people are reading).
>
> --
>
> I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord,
make
> my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
>
> Voltaire
>
>
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