different tools suit different needs.
i use CF because it's a rapid application devleopment platform. it's easy to
find CF programmers. GREAT CF developers are cheaper than GREAT java
developers.
i'm not sure what i missed, but can you please explain why CF *can't* use
XML? You wrote:
"even Perl programmers can use OOP and XML if they want to, but it's not
necessary. With CF, you don't even have that option."
i've used XML with CF for almost two years now, so i'm intrigued.
i've developed sites using CF, ASP, Java, Delphi COM objects, etc.
*personally* if i had a very transaction-intense site i think i would go
with weblogic or atg's dynamo. but i've only needed something that
"industrial" once or twice.
anyway...there are always as many opinions as there are people :).
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Grossberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
You brought up and interesting point, and Neo will be a big boost to CF,
IMHO, and I'll be psyched when it arrives. But if someone knows Java, why
not just use JRun at that point? Also, Allaire doesn't seem to have a
concrete date for CF Server 5 release, much less Neo (a.k.a. version 6).
However, while I think that some additional stuff CF does is good (e.g.
integration with Flash; I think the MM/Allaire merger is very
complimentary), it seems like it's just way behind on other things. I mean,
even Perl programmers can use OOP and XML if they want to, but it's not
necessary. With CF, you don't even have that option. ColdFusion just seems
like it's always a step (or more) behind the competing technologies.
I also don't like the fact that we're basically depending on one vendor for
everything except a smattering of custom tags and minor third-party
applications. If something in Perl or Python doesn't work, someone fixes it
soon. If something in ASP or Java doesn't work, then MS or Sun fixes it (or
another company will sell it, because the market is large enough). But since
Allaire is solely responsible for CF Studio, CF Server, Spectra, JRun, etc.,
it seems like we're putting all our eggs in one basket. Like, "Oh, your
upgrade to CF Server 4.5 broke your CFHTTP / CFFTP / CFMAIL tag? Well you
have to downgrade to 4.0 or just wait ... until ... whenever we finally
release 5.0 ... assuming it's fixed then."
Like I said, I think CF has its plusses and minuses, but it just seems less
compelling to me by the month.
Joe
>From: "Derek Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:40:36 -0700
>
>A couple thoughts...
>
>Don't you think Neo/Java will enable CF to pull in other developers and let
>those of us that know Java expand what we would typically do with CF?
>Also,
>don't you think that Allaire now being Macromedia will enhance it's staying
>power and entice more developers to learn CF?
>
>At our company we use CF because it is fast to develop with. No other
>language we've found has been so fast AND powerful.
>
>Derek Hamilton
>Systems Developer
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joseph Grossberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:27 PM
>Subject: Is CF still relevant?
>
>
> > Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This
>isn't
> > so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step
>back
> > and reevalutate things periodically.
> >
> > Over the course of my career as a web programmer/developer, I have
>worked
> > with a variety of sever-side languages and technologies: ColdFusion,
>ASP,
> > JSP, PHP, Perl and Python. I like some more than others, but I'm not an
> > evangelist for any; they each have their uses. And I recognize some of
>CF's
> > strengths: easy to learn for people who know only tag-based HTML or
>don't
> > have significant programming experience; built-in admin tool;
>specialized
> > editor; comes with pre-built tags and web-based administrator. There are
> > also major flaws: broken/sketchy tags; no XML parsing; not OOP;
>relatively
> > small community; etc.
> >
> > Right now, I work at a web development firm that is primarily "a CF
>house"
> > (besides me). Our more senior programmers are looking at honing their CF
> > skills, while our less experienced webmasters are trying to learn
> > ColdFusion. But, I can't help but wonder whether they are wasting their
> > time. Would they be better off spending their time learning ASP, Java or
> > another non-CF solution? Why or why not?
> >
> > And how would we tell if and when it was time to give up CF and try
> > something else, as all but the most stubborn experts in also-ran
>languages
> > (Ada, SmallTalk), applications (Netscape, Lotus Notes) and Operating
>Systems
> > (Amiga) have resignedly done?
> >
> > Lastly, why do *you* still use CF? Is it because it's what you're best
>at,
> > and you don't want to try something new (where, temporarily, you'd be a
> > novice again)? Is it because your ccompany's legacy code is all in CF?
>Is
>it
> > because you genuinely think that ColdFusion is, generally speaking, the
>best
> > solution for web application development in 2001?
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
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