I agree with Cameron excpet for 1 item he didn't mention (and yes I know he's not bashing anyone).
The "free stuff" (bad description but we all know what it means) is gone in the new MM partnership agreement although the new licensing agreement makes it legal to use the software for development purposes. So there is still a bonus...if MM ever does a license audit of your company you won't get sued ;-) It's also useful to appear as a professional when you tell clients you are a "MM partner for blah blah". There is definately a certain level of credibilty and professionalism added when you can do this (personally I think the partnership program is too easy to get into and more of a cash grab...but I digress...). The one issue I have is the new price...it's now $795 USD a year up from the old $500 USD (or around there). Lets do the math.... MM partnership = higher price.....less software...better license Allaire partnership = lower price....WAY more software...restricted license I'd be a lot happier if the price had stayed the same...that way we get less software but it can legally be used for development. Cameron nailed it though...I think a lot of complaints are because people can't get a "free" copy of Studio etc. that they weren't supposed to be using for development in the first place. Just buy Studio. One contract should more than pay for it. My 2 cents...flame away ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------- Allaire Alliance Partner www.allaire.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades... > CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply... > > IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all the > software and "try before you buy". Some partners undoubtedly use the > software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license of > the partner software packages. Getting upset because CF Studio isn't > included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really > makes me ask, why are these people upset? You don't need it to "evaluate" > it, there's a 30 day demo for that... > > If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit > full licenses of Studio. I would expect that any company who uses CF enough > to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and therefore > would own full legit licenses of the Studio product. So why would you need > it in the partner package? You already own a copy. Unless of course you > are using the free partner software illegally. No, I am not accusing anyone > on the list of anything... It's just hard for me to think of any valid > reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner... > > I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to demo > capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you sit > down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live > demo of Studio? I'd say probably very rarely. Most distribution/sales > partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?". > > Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners may > need Studio on some rare occasions... But why would the rest of us need it? > Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear real > scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio? > > I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must be a > bad thing". Well, I'm not sure we have EVER used our partner copy of > Studio. We have several client licenses for the product, and use those for > our development. I have no need for a copy of Studio in the partner > program. > > So then it must be the other parts of the partner program that are lacking? > Are we all partners just for "all the free stuff", of do we actually expect > something more from the program? I mean lets face it, that's really why > many of us participate. Get free stuff, put it on your laptop, put it on > your home computer, put it on computers around the office... Not legal, but > we all know it happens, and not just a little, it happens ALOT... Now they > are taking away the free stuff, and it turns out there's nothing else of > interest left in the program? > > Lets all be realistic and come up with reasons that we actually NEED the > "free stuff". Again, not trying to bash anyone or accuse anyone of > anything, but if all we do is whine that the free stuff is gone, I seriously > doubt it's gonna change anything. > > Questions: > > Why do you need the "free stuff", and why doesn't the 30 day trial software > fill this need? > > What, in addition to the items listed on the partner program overview do we > need/expect? > http://spectra15.macromedia.com/overview/NA_benefits.cfm > > -Cameron > > -------------------- > Cameron Childress > elliptIQ Inc. > p.770.460.1035.232 > f.770.460.0963 > -- > http://www.neighborware.com > America's Leading Community Network Software > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:38 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades... > > > > > > >> That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no > > >> longer worth it to me or my company. > > > > > > Same here, guess it was nice while it lasted though. > > > > Sorry to hear that, but if you have a few minutes, then could you drop a > > note to the Partners team and tell them how the service no longer met your > > needs? That would give them the feedback they'd need to tune things better > > in the future, thanks. > > > > The contact link is here: > > http://www.macromedia.com/partners/ > > > > tx, > > jd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Dowdell, Macromedia Tech Support, San Francisco CA US > > Search technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ > > Offlist email risks capture by the spam filters. I may not see your > > email if it's not on the list. Private one-on-one email options are > > available via Priority Access: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Why Share? 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