Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...
1) The OLD program software was for demoing purposes only. The NEW program you can use it for development. 2) The listing on the site and the use of the MM logo on your site adds credibility to you as a developer of CF a stuff 3) There are all kinds of marketing materials etc. that you can grab from the partners only section which you can use to sell CF to your potential clients. There are PowerPoint presentations, white papers etc. that can help convince them that CF rules the world ;-) So you can pay $800 a year for a $5000 CF Server 5 Enterprise and get those benefits or not...it's your choice. Now...don't get me wrong..the merger pains suck right now. There doesn't seem to be any clear pattern to what's going on and communications have ben vague at best. I'd say given some time things should straighten themselves out. Personally I think the $300 price hike is a bit much, but time are hard and I'm sure MM is grabbing a few extra bucks where ever they can. All in all it's worth the money even if all you use is the copy of CF Server 5 you get.....1 contract should make your ROI. If not then you're doing REALLY small projects or you should charge more ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------- Allaire Alliance Partner www.allaire.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades... > I have been reading this thread with some interest and would like to toss > out a couple of questions. Concerning the use of the free software if you > can not use it for development purposes then what is it for? What is the > benefit to a small company to be a partner? Other than having the company > name on a list that someone might see and a logo for the company site what > is the return on investment of the $800 it cost to be an Associate Partner? > Based on the threads I have seen about the program as a small business owner > I would wonder if my money is not better used for some other purpose as I > have not seen any positive comments about the program on this list. I can > see where there are benefits for Premier or Alliance partners but not for an > Associate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:25 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades... > > > CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply... > > IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all the > software and "try before you buy". Some partners undoubtedly use the > software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license of > the partner software packages. Getting upset because CF Studio isn't > included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really > makes me ask, why are these people upset? You don't need it to "evaluate" > it, there's a 30 day demo for that... > > If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit > full licenses of Studio. I would expect that any company who uses CF enough > to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and therefore > would own full legit licenses of the Studio product. So why would you need > it in the partner package? You already own a copy. Unless of course you > are using the free partner software illegally. No, I am not accusing anyone > on the list of anything... It's just hard for me to think of any valid > reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner... > > I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to demo > capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you sit > down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live > demo of Studio? I'd say probably very rarely. Most distribution/sales > partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?". > > Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners may > need Studio on some rare occasions... But why would the rest of us need it? > Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear real > scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio? > > I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must be a > bad thing". Well, I'm not sure we have EVER used our partner copy of > Studio. We have several client licenses for the product, and use those for > our development. I have no need for a copy of Studio in the partner > program. > > So then it must be the other parts of the partner program that are lacking? > Are we all partners just for "all the free stuff", of do we actually expect > something more from the program? I mean lets face it, that's really why > many of us participate. Get free stuff, put it on your laptop, put it on > your home computer, put it on computers around the office... Not legal, but > we all know it happens, and not just a little, it happens ALOT... Now they > are taking away the free stuff, and it turns out there's nothing else of > interest left in the program? > > Lets all be realistic and come up with reasons that we actually NEED the > "free stuff". Again, not trying to bash anyone or accuse anyone of > anything, but if all we do is whine that the free stuff is gone, I seriously > doubt it's gonna change anything. > > Questions: > > Why do you need the "free stuff", and why doesn't the 30 day trial software > fill this need? > > What, in addition to the items listed on the partner program overview do we > need/expect? > http://spectra15.macromedia.com/overview/NA_benefits.cfm > > -Cameron > > -------------------- > Cameron Childress > elliptIQ Inc. > p.770.460.1035.232 > f.770.460.0963 > -- > http://www.neighborware.com > America's Leading Community Network Software > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:38 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades... > > > > > > >> That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no > > >> longer worth it to me or my company. > > > > > > Same here, guess it was nice while it lasted though. > > > > Sorry to hear that, but if you have a few minutes, then could you drop a > > note to the Partners team and tell them how the service no longer met your > > needs? That would give them the feedback they'd need to tune things better > > in the future, thanks. > > > > The contact link is here: > > http://www.macromedia.com/partners/ > > > > tx, > > jd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Dowdell, Macromedia Tech Support, San Francisco CA US > > Search technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ > > Offlist email risks capture by the spam filters. I may not see your > > email if it's not on the list. 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