(changing the subject, cos i am) Darling Harbour, mon-wed this week heaps of competitions, lots of lollies, quite a few pens. i learnt a few useful things. there was a lot of talk here about eWay last week, and they had a huge stall, with pretty girls handing out flyers and sales types who were very quick to take over the conversation if you sounded interested. lots of hand-held data projectors lots of government
asd On 26/05/10 16:58, Dale Fraser wrote: > > Where was CEBit? > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au > > http://cfmldocs.com <http://cfmldocs.com/> > > http://learncf.com > > http://flexcf.com > > > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *nomadic fish > *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 4:50 PM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet > > > > and, you'll be able to apply for the JB job and get free music as well. > > i went to CEbit yesterday. i noticed lots of the banners had the > "microsoft certified" logo on them. one or two tux-the-penguins. > only one adobe A, and none of the CF or FL product logos. there were > hundreds of stands, hundreds of banners, some of them must have built > their stuff in flash, but they just weren't being asked or forced to > advertise the fact. > > asd > > On 26/05/10 16:19, Dale Fraser wrote: > > So your saying if I move to .NET I'll get more free lunches. > > > > Now I finally understand why JB HI FI moved. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au > > http://cfmldocs.com <http://cfmldocs.com/> > > http://learncf.com > > http://flexcf.com > > > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kai Koenig > *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet > > > > MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events > from vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO > level are invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training > events local and even oversees - and that's how you get a company to > jump on a technology - decision makers are just humans after all. I'm > not saying Adobe is NOT doing anything, they just don't do it for CF > but rather for LC and Creative Suite and that _is_ a local office's > decision imho. One example is a series of breakfast talks in hotels on > the LC technology stack in AU/NZ - really cool event (I was at the > Wellington one back then) and it brought the right folks to the event > - exactly those managers mentioned above - speakers were Adobe people > and other folks who've deployed and built solutions on LC (in AU). > > > > I agree with a lot of what Mark and Robin are saying, it's _also_ up > to a community, but it's clear to me that Adobe is not putting the > effort in they could and do for other technologies in the local > markets when it comes to CF. That's really all I'm saying - and I > doubt there's anything we can do about it. > > > > Cheers > > Kai > > > > > > What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had > experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? > Anyone know first hand? > > (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). > > Mark > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM, KC Kuok <kck...@gmail.com > <mailto:kck...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > @Eliseo & Mike > > Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is > travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or > disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing > this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the > past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF > as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have > major exposure. > > @ Mark & Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF > > I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing > the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros > and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots > to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF. > how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the > "resources" (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can > overcome that. > > E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ > for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for > CF and LifeCycle? > > Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate > if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that > says "Powered by Adobe Coldfusion", Railo could also do the same > "powered by Railo Coldfusion" > > Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in > Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it goes. > > I reckon Red Hat has done well pushing its agenda in this part of the > world. > > Conferences and UGs are all good for the CF community but it doesn't > really make anyone pick up CF if they are not using CF already... > > BTW does anyone know is there any CF consultancy office (i.e. > Rocketboots, Daemon) based out of melb? I have heard of a few hybrid > one, was just thinking that day about any big CF consultancy houses in > melbourne and couldnt really put my finger on it. > > PS:I know a few that offer a range including CF, just not focused on > CF like the forementioned 2 companies. > > In the end it comes down to this, if Adobe does not push CF hard in > ANZAC region, people who actually signs the cheques will assume that > CF is dying because the company that owns it can't be bothered to sell > it. > > Chong > > On May 26, 1:44 pm, Eliseo Dannunzio <eliseo.dannun...@gmail.com > <mailto:eliseo.dannun...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Mike, I don't know where you've been looking but there have been > jobs > > a plenty here in Sydney as based from the number of Seek ads > I've seen > > come through... Granted they are not "pure" CF roles, but they are > > roles nonetheless. > > > > Eliseo > > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mike Kear > <afpwebwo...@gmail.com <mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > It's a paradox - the recruiters say coldfusion developers are > really hard to > > > find, yet there have been only handful of coldfusion > contracts/permanent > > > jobs advertised in the last year or so in Sydney. > > > If we are in such demand, how come they arent looking for us > by advertising? > > > In Sydney in the last 3 months there have been 3 coldfusion > jobs > > > advertised and unless I'm looking in the wrong places, that's it. > > > I dont know the answer. > > > But I'm here and available - with up to date technical > knowlege, experience, > > > business and project management knowledge and lots of other > stuff to bring > > > to the table. > > > > > Cheers > > > Mike Kear > > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > > > AFP Webworks > > >http://afpwebworks.com <http://afpwebworks.com/> > > > ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET/> > hosting from AUD$15/month > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Andrew Scott > <andr...@andyscott.id.au <mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au>> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> Oh boy, I think I have been saying that for like 8+ years now. > > > > >> Its the market, people are finding it hard to fill ColdFusion > roles. So > > >> the only thing left is to move the product over to a more > feasible language > > >> with a pool of developers that they can resource from. > > > > >> Until that changes for ColdFusion it will end up dying in > this country, > > >> that's the reality of it. And this has been going on ever > since ColdFusion > > >> was owned by Macromedia. > > > > > >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Onnis > <st...@cfcentral.com.au <mailto:st...@cfcentral.com.au>> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> I see it all the time. Lots of recruitment agencies see CF > as a legacy or > > >>> redundant development platform and I guess that is a result > of demand and > > >>> corporate retention of the platform. I really think Adobe > needs to do > > >>> something about it. They need to advertise and get out there > promoting > > >>> the > > >>> platform otherwise it will end up the way of the dodo. They > need to be > > >>> out > > >>> there so we start seeing "Migrating from .NET to Coldfusion" > ads! > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups > > >> "cfaussie" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to > cfaussie@googlegroups.com <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com>. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups > > > "cfaussie" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com > <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com>. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com > <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com>. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > > > > -- > E: mark.man...@gmail.com <mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com> > T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic > W: www.compoundtheory.com <http://www.compoundtheory.com/> > > cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia > http://www.cfobjective.com.au <http://www.cfobjective.com.au/> > > Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training > www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com <http://www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com/> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com > <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com>. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd > > ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 > > web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz > > blog: http://www.bloginblack.de > > twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK > > > > Hands-on Regular Expression training @ webDU 2010 > http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-befriending-regular-expressions/ > > > > Hands-on Flash Catalyst and Flex 4 training @ Webinale 2010 > > http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-rias-with-flash-catalyst-and-flex-4/ > > -- > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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