I couldnt agree more with those goals... Also, I like the philisophy around your perlmonks.org doc.
People should be able to get these things going pretty easily and then get more detailed as needed. Kind of like buying a car, they package the car with a few options and almost anyone can drive it. A serious enthusiast can mod the car later on an as needed basis. First its the exhaust, then you add the intake when you learn a little more, then you add suspension when you learn a little more, then you add a turbo kit when you get more advanced, and so on. Working with some of these modules is like trying to install a turbo kit on a car that I dont even know how to work. Chico --- Mark Stosberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I've caught up all the re-branding conversation. > I'll try to add a > fresh perspective. > > There are really two things we are talking about > here. One is a single > Perl module named CGI::Application. The other is a > Larger Thing Which > Not Yet Been Named. Roughly, this is "what you can > do with > CGI::Application and the forty-something plugins for > it". > > When I wrote the "Catalyst Compared" article, I was > referring to the > Larger Thing. Other people have started to use words > "CGI::Application" > to mean this Larger Thing, too, and it's no wonder > it doesn't feel > adequate, as it is easily confused with the single > Perl module. > > I think both things are worth name adjustments, but > they are rather > different cases. "CGI::Application" would be nice to > change to get CGI > out of the name. First, CGI is needless jargon for > new users. Second, > for power users, it sounds like it specializes in an > older technology, > when in truth it works great in fast, persistent > environments. > > I propose "Web::Application" for this purpose, with > an alias for > compatibility. Some suggested this was sub-optimal > because it's not > Google'able. This is not important for the success > of a Perl module. > Simple, more technical names are often better. > Consider the modules > "Template", "HTML::Template" and "CGI", which are > all extremely popular > despite totally generic names. > > The Larger Thing Which Has Not Yet Been Named is > very different story. > It could be targeted at a different audience. New > Users. Non Perl users. > Users of other web frameworks. > > The problem with the Larger Thing Which Has Not Yet > Been Named is that > it hasn't been particularly built yet either, unless > we want to continue > to refer to nebulous plugin-collection we have now. > > Personally, I'd like to see something concrete > appear that really takes > us into into new territory. It might meet these > goals: > > - Easy installation. No CPAN needed. > - Bundles the most popular plugins by default. > - Includes one or more example applications and > tutorials. > - Deployable without shell access. To accomplish > this, perhaps > CGI::Application::Server would be used to build > and test the > application locally. > - Has cool marketing name referring to this > specific Larger Thing. > > That's my own vision for bringing our easy-to-learn > framework to those > who are just learning. ( I explain the philosophy of > this more here: > http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=519032 ). There > are a lot of other > larger concrete framework-like-things which can be > built on top of > CGI::Application. We don't need to stop at just one > or agree on a single > concept. > > But I do think it would help tremendously if there > were something > concrete to represent the Larger Thing Which Has Not > Yet Been Named. > > Mark > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Web Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/cgiapp@lists.erlbaum.net/ > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=cgiapp&r=1&w=2 > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/cgiapp@lists.erlbaum.net/ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=cgiapp&r=1&w=2 To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
