Christian
Why don't you just set up a PAypal ? I mean do you really need to go
through these complex set ups (charity etc.)? I am quite happy to
forward a contribution for Lumiera. And if you drink it ... good on you
! ;-)
Cheers
E
Christian Thaeter wrote:
Yama Ploskonka wrote:
When following this thread what I saw in my mind was a "bounty"
system, negotiated between donor and coder, with Lumiera.org merely
as a site where the information gets posted. No overhead, no
bureaucrateze, etc.
I believe that is what you are pointing at, Christian, and I might
follow up with that idea on my own for the project I invest most of
my time in, which is OLPC for Bolivia.
One requisite for success here is that "projects" be broken up into
small enough pieces that a single donor, or a small number of them
can make them happen, and they can be requests (I want this done. I
offer $xxx) or proposals (I think this need to get done, and I'll do
it. It will cost $xxx, can someone pitch in?), or suggestions(I
think this need to get done, can someone budget it or get it done as
a volunteer).
I guess that what I am saying everyone knows, but as a noob I needed
to spell it out so _I_ could understand it...
The problem with bounty systems is that they only work well for
limited things which are *isolated* and *optional* and *directly
experienceable* by users.
In Lumiera we are working on groundwork, design, infrastructure and
backend things, all these are mandatory, bounty or not, without them
it will never work. We can't risk things like "Code Documentation" or
"Project Serialization" or "Rendering core" on a bounty, this just has
to be done (and work is underway) whenever we can communicate this to
users or not. At some point when Lumiera basically works we might
setup some Bounties for optional features. But I think there is also a
danger that bounties can be rather counterproductive, high rated user
features like "add a GUI button for X" or "add support for codec Y"
might be low hanging fruits with a good design and be cherry picked by
some coder, while the ones who done the hard (but unseen) groundwork
don't benefit from it. Bounties promote competition and not
cooperation in a bad way, the one who implements it fastest for the
lowest price will take it. That is quite unfortunate for a free
software community.
That saied, bounties look bad, but indeed they are not, they just
don't work for anything and they are only one kind of tool to
supplement free software financing, while the overall goal should be
to create a community where everyone feels fair treated, developers
and users.
Christian
Yama
I could imagine to set up an website where donors can make
non-obligatory 'promises' about an amount of money the would offer
on a per-project or general base. When it is forseeable that a goal
becomes realizeable the donors are contacted to acknowlege their
offering, when then enough people acknowledged it, then the thing
gets done, means people can send money in 'acceptable' ways (For me
that would be bank transfer, or maybe I could activate a paypal
account, I also need to checkout this pledgebank.com). When a
donation is recieved it is tagged as that on the website, so
everyone can transparently see how it works and how much money got
donated. Maybe it turns out this way that some 'Projects' are not
realizeable because there are not enough offerings to reach the
Goal, such projects might then stay uncompleted or withdrawn.
Does this sound ok?
And of course I would be proud if such a system works for others too
and me and my laptop won't be the only thing there. Finally it is
always cool when free software manages to feed some developers,
Lumiera is still far from that, but maybe some day this becomes true.
Christian
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