You get up/up when looping HDLC back to itself. Up/down when looping PPP
back to itself. Your experience is correct.

Is there someone at the remote end to look at that router? If not can you
establish out-of-band connection via a modem? Verify that  configs match.
Look for loopbacks.

 Make up a hard-wired loopback plug and jack for each end. You want to test
from the demark point and from the wire that connects into the CSU/DSU. Most
likely the telco tests to the demark point - a device called a "smartjack"
that can be remotely looped. Several things can go wrong. (1) There is a
problem in the smartjack beyond where the loopback is applied. (2) They
forgot to remove the remote loopback. (3) They re-groomed the circuit and
are testing to the wrong smartjack. It really helps to have someone
physically at each end.

Just as you tested locally with a loopback button - see if you can test
locally with a loopback plug. (I'm assuming you have an RJ-48 / RJ-45 style
telephone network connection.) Remove the telco facing wire and plug in your
loopback plug. With your router interface set to HDLC (temporarily for
testing) you should see up/up (looped). Put the wire back in. Go to the end
of the wire at the demark. Remove the wire and put a loopback jack on it.
Again you should see up/up (looped). If not, the wire is suspect. Replace
the wire. See if the person at the far end can (a) replicate what you did
for their end. (b) Then give you a hard loopback with their loopback plug in
the demark. If you can't see that loop be applied and removed then the telco
circuit is suspect. 

At this point you can ping your own address. Try pings with different bit
patterns - use many large packets - extended ping allows this. There is a
good paper on CCO with the patterns and what they detect. All zeros, all
ones (0xFFFF), alternating ones and zeros (0xAAAA).

Verify the settings on the CSU/DSUs. 

Good luck.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Gosnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:42 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Leased line/1721 problem [7:69573]
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> If I press the 'loopback' button on the DSU itself then the router
> recognises this and shows Interface up, line protocol down (looped).
> 
> Strange thing I noticed is that if I chance encapsulation to 
> HDLC and press
> the local loopback button on the DSU I get Interface up, line 
> protocol up
> (looped).
> 
> 
> MADMAN wrote:
> > 
> > I have seen moe than once a faulty WIC-1DSU-T1 cause similiar 
> > problems.  Have you tried doing your own hardwire loop?
> > 
> >    Dave




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