Friend,

 Now that you have your CCNP and no Experience, please don't get carried
away with the certifications. Don't try to get your CCIE yet. You will just
end up hating routing protocols if you  don't get your hands in some
production routers/switches.

 Keep up with the Interviews and be prepared to get an entry level position
with a crappy salary.

 Tips:

a) Go to Cisco.com and search for Silver/Gold partners in your area, then
send your resume to all of them stating you want an entry level. They will
love to get you since you already have the paper CCNP (which they need in to
get recognition from cisco on the number of certified engineers they
employ), and you will be cheap and you have proved you can learn stuff.

b) STOP reading CISCO books. Get a BIG HEAVY TCP/IP book and read it page by
page. You will be amazed to see how fast you learn once you understand all
about the headers in frames/packets. You will understand a lot about
Ethernet /Token Ring and all about TCP/UDP ports. I have "Inside TCP/IP"
from Siyan it is an awsomw reference book also.

 Good Luck,

 let us know how your interviews go.

 Gonzalo P.
CCNP.

"jeongwoo park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
> First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
> concerns and even criticizing point. I received more
> replies than I expected.
>
> There were some people who made a point on removing my
> ccnp cert from my resume.
> It was not only thoughtful suggestion, but also scary
> suggestion, because I felt that removing it from my
> resume was like 7 months of ccnp prep going down the
> drain all of a sudden.
> However, I made up my mind not remove it.
> My intension of listing ccnp on my resume was to show
> how much interest I have on networking. I believe that
> there is clear difference between ccna without
> experience and ccnp without experience. If I were
> employer, I would hire ccnp without experience because
> there is obviously difference between these two guys
> in terms of the amount of technical knowledge and
> potential performance that he or she might make.
> As some members mentioned, lots of people consider
> their careers from IT industry because of money. I
> agree with them not only I am partly one of them, but
> also money can be one of strong motivation in
> advancing their living condition. But money doesn't
> give me enough motivation as my interest in networking
> does. I didn't even consider CCNP. I was going to
> start to look for a job after I got MCSE and CCNA
> certifications.
> But I couldn't stop my interest in knowing more on
> network knowledge.
>
> There might be some people who would say, " none of
> these guys would be hired."
> Well, the biggest irony that I have is that who is
> going to start his or her career in IT industry if
> everyone is looking for only experienced engineer.
> That is why I am looking for entry level of job. I
> wouldn't be able to perform in the beginning as much
> as years of experienced CCNP would do. But I am sure
> that I could learn things faster than most of
> entry-level job applicants.
> If nobody offers me a job, I would go for CCIE without
> any corporation experience. I would buy network
> devices, and take ccie lab classes. I wonder if there
> is anyone who made ccie without any corporation
> experience. I wish there were. If not, I will be the
> first one who becomes ccie without experience. I am
> not talking about home-network or training school
> network experience. I am talking about the experience
> that can be obtained as a network engineer.
> I know it would be harder to become ccie without real
> world experience, but I believe that lots of members
> who showed their concern would be with me.
> When I become CCIE, I will put nothing but CCIE, and
> see if anyone gives me job offer.
> I wonder if people who emphasizes on only experience
> still wouldn't hire me.
>
> For the people who are already out there and working
> for company without any certification, I respect them
> because they might have had harder time on getting a
> job than I do.
>
> Since I posted my message, I had some job interviews.
> Well, I will see how it will go.
> Once again, Thanks you for encouragement and advices.
> I will definitely let you know if I got hired.
>
>
> jeongwoo
>
>
>
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