Jeongwoo, All of the tea in China won't help someone who is only paper
certified. I feel that you should do what all people must do at times when
an intense decision looms on the horizon; re-evaluate your situation.
Here's where I am going with that: Ok, fine you have your CCNP, how much
experience do you have? Before you make the mistake of over marketing
yourself, I would encourage you to evaluate yourself honestly and perhaps
you could get Chuck, Howard or Priscilla to act as sounding boards to you.
You're in a difficult position because of the time and effort that you
invested in studying for your exams, and I think we all appreciate that.
However, you will be doing yourself a sincere disservice if simply ignore
the good counsel that you are privvy to (as are all of us), based off of our
memberships and contributions to this list. Lets add further complications
to the mix. Let's say you go and pass the written and lab and your
experience is confined solely to sterile lab environments, how well do you
believe you will be recepted by employers? I would imagine that regardless
of the fact that you had a number (hypothetically), you might encounter
similar disappointment in that most employers value
experience+certification. Its a simple equation:
experience+certification=success. If anyone sincerely disagrees with me on
this one, then I welcome the flames...bring'em on, however I maintain that
the marriage of certification+experience is what secures success and that
when people get paper crazy it only serves to degrade the value of the
certification. My 2cents, you may begin your flames....in
five,four,three,two,one...
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Donald B Johnson Jr
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:28 PM
To: jeongwoo park; Groupstudy
Subject: Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster - Should be our
poster child
I started in this industry in 95 after a career change, I was a Chef for 12
years, and taught music for two years before that. Third career working with
computers. I want to be a lawyer next, fourth career. Whatever!! A friend of
mine had a family member who had a small consulting business, and I started
working with them when they needed a grunt. It was during the Win95 buzz
when people would pay for you to upgrade their OS. They used to get 179$ to
upgrade a computer with a licensed copy of Win95. Unbelievable!!! The
consultant company also did a lot of rewiring too, used to be a lot of Cat3
in those walls. So we would install Cat5. I swallowed a lot of dust bunnies
in the day. Got paid 7$ an hour but it was a start, and I would do it all
again because like you, I (and many here) love it. Now I have a great
position and great pay, the best part is, it's like I don't have a job, but
am getting paid for my hobby. So good luck Jeongwoo you will find something,
I know how you feel I was there. With the attitude you expressed in your
last post, you should be the poster child for all that is good about this
group, and certification, and this profession.
Duck
----- Original Message -----
From: jeongwoo park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster
> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
> First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
> concerns and even criticizing point. I received more
> replies than I expected.
>
> There were some people who made a point on removing my
> ccnp cert from my resume.
> It was not only thoughtful suggestion, but also scary
> suggestion, because I felt that removing it from my
> resume was like 7 months of ccnp prep going down the
> drain all of a sudden.
> However, I made up my mind not remove it.
> My intension of listing ccnp on my resume was to show
> how much interest I have on networking. I believe that
> there is clear difference between ccna without
> experience and ccnp without experience. If I were
> employer, I would hire ccnp without experience because
> there is obviously difference between these two guys
> in terms of the amount of technical knowledge and
> potential performance that he or she might make.
> As some members mentioned, lots of people consider
> their careers from IT industry because of money. I
> agree with them not only I am partly one of them, but
> also money can be one of strong motivation in
> advancing their living condition. But money doesn't
> give me enough motivation as my interest in networking
> does. I didn't even consider CCNP. I was going to
> start to look for a job after I got MCSE and CCNA
> certifications.
> But I couldn't stop my interest in knowing more on
> network knowledge.
>
> There might be some people who would say, " none of
> these guys would be hired."
> Well, the biggest irony that I have is that who is
> going to start his or her career in IT industry if
> everyone is looking for only experienced engineer.
> That is why I am looking for entry level of job. I
> wouldn't be able to perform in the beginning as much
> as years of experienced CCNP would do. But I am sure
> that I could learn things faster than most of
> entry-level job applicants.
> If nobody offers me a job, I would go for CCIE without
> any corporation experience. I would buy network
> devices, and take ccie lab classes. I wonder if there
> is anyone who made ccie without any corporation
> experience. I wish there were. If not, I will be the
> first one who becomes ccie without experience. I am
> not talking about home-network or training school
> network experience. I am talking about the experience
> that can be obtained as a network engineer.
> I know it would be harder to become ccie without real
> world experience, but I believe that lots of members
> who showed their concern would be with me.
> When I become CCIE, I will put nothing but CCIE, and
> see if anyone gives me job offer.
> I wonder if people who emphasizes on only experience
> still wouldn't hire me.
>
> For the people who are already out there and working
> for company without any certification, I respect them
> because they might have had harder time on getting a
> job than I do.
>
> Since I posted my message, I had some job interviews.
> Well, I will see how it will go.
> Once again, Thanks you for encouragement and advices.
> I will definitely let you know if I got hired.
>
>
> jeongwoo
>
>
>
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