I agree, and according to the Cisco Web site:
experience=training=self-study= 33%
certification = (experience + training + self-study).
if experience = 0
certification = training + self-study
""William E. Gragido"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
000801c07caf$d831fe90$1f0110ac@gragid">news:000801c07caf$d831fe90$1f0110ac@gragid...
> Jeongwoo, All of the tea in China won't help someone who is only paper
> certified. I feel that you should do what all people must do at times
when
> an intense decision looms on the horizon; re-evaluate your situation.
> Here's where I am going with that: Ok, fine you have your CCNP, how much
> experience do you have? Before you make the mistake of over marketing
> yourself, I would encourage you to evaluate yourself honestly and perhaps
> you could get Chuck, Howard or Priscilla to act as sounding boards to you.
> You're in a difficult position because of the time and effort that you
> invested in studying for your exams, and I think we all appreciate that.
> However, you will be doing yourself a sincere disservice if simply ignore
> the good counsel that you are privvy to (as are all of us), based off of
our
> memberships and contributions to this list. Lets add further
complications
> to the mix. Let's say you go and pass the written and lab and your
> experience is confined solely to sterile lab environments, how well do you
> believe you will be recepted by employers? I would imagine that
regardless
> of the fact that you had a number (hypothetically), you might encounter
> similar disappointment in that most employers value
> experience+certification. Its a simple equation:
> experience+certification=success. If anyone sincerely disagrees with me
on
> this one, then I welcome the flames...bring'em on, however I maintain that
> the marriage of certification+experience is what secures success and that
> when people get paper crazy it only serves to degrade the value of the
> certification. My 2cents, you may begin your flames....in
> five,four,three,two,one...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Donald B Johnson Jr
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:28 PM
> To: jeongwoo park; Groupstudy
> Subject: Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster - Should be our
> poster child
>
>
> I started in this industry in 95 after a career change, I was a Chef for
12
> years, and taught music for two years before that. Third career working
with
> computers. I want to be a lawyer next, fourth career. Whatever!! A friend
of
> mine had a family member who had a small consulting business, and I
started
> working with them when they needed a grunt. It was during the Win95 buzz
> when people would pay for you to upgrade their OS. They used to get 179$
to
> upgrade a computer with a licensed copy of Win95. Unbelievable!!! The
> consultant company also did a lot of rewiring too, used to be a lot of
Cat3
> in those walls. So we would install Cat5. I swallowed a lot of dust
bunnies
> in the day. Got paid 7$ an hour but it was a start, and I would do it all
> again because like you, I (and many here) love it. Now I have a great
> position and great pay, the best part is, it's like I don't have a job,
but
> am getting paid for my hobby. So good luck Jeongwoo you will find
something,
> I know how you feel I was there. With the attitude you expressed in your
> last post, you should be the poster child for all that is good about this
> group, and certification, and this profession.
> Duck
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jeongwoo park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:55 PM
> Subject: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster
>
>
> > Hi group members!!
> > I am the original poster of this thread.
> > First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
> > concerns and even criticizing point. I received more
> > replies than I expected.
> >
> > There were some people who made a point on removing my
> > ccnp cert from my resume.
> > It was not only thoughtful suggestion, but also scary
> > suggestion, because I felt that removing it from my
> > resume was like 7 months of ccnp prep going down the
> > drain all of a sudden.
> > However, I made up my mind not remove it.
> > My intension of listing ccnp on my resume was to show
> > how much interest I have on networking. I believe that
> > there is clear difference between ccna without
> > experience and ccnp without experience. If I were
> > employer, I would hire ccnp without experience because
> > there is obviously difference between these two guys
> > in terms of the amount of technical knowledge and
> > potential performance that he or she might make.
> > As some members mentioned, lots of people consider
> > their careers from IT industry because of money. I
> > agree with them not only I am partly one of them, but
> > also money can be one of strong motivation in
> > advancing their living condition. But money doesn't
> > give me enough motivation as my interest in networking
> > does. I didn't even consider CCNP. I was going to
> > start to look for a job after I got MCSE and CCNA
> > certifications.
> > But I couldn't stop my interest in knowing more on
> > network knowledge.
> >
> > There might be some people who would say, " none of
> > these guys would be hired."
> > Well, the biggest irony that I have is that who is
> > going to start his or her career in IT industry if
> > everyone is looking for only experienced engineer.
> > That is why I am looking for entry level of job. I
> > wouldn't be able to perform in the beginning as much
> > as years of experienced CCNP would do. But I am sure
> > that I could learn things faster than most of
> > entry-level job applicants.
> > If nobody offers me a job, I would go for CCIE without
> > any corporation experience. I would buy network
> > devices, and take ccie lab classes. I wonder if there
> > is anyone who made ccie without any corporation
> > experience. I wish there were. If not, I will be the
> > first one who becomes ccie without experience. I am
> > not talking about home-network or training school
> > network experience. I am talking about the experience
> > that can be obtained as a network engineer.
> > I know it would be harder to become ccie without real
> > world experience, but I believe that lots of members
> > who showed their concern would be with me.
> > When I become CCIE, I will put nothing but CCIE, and
> > see if anyone gives me job offer.
> > I wonder if people who emphasizes on only experience
> > still wouldn't hire me.
> >
> > For the people who are already out there and working
> > for company without any certification, I respect them
> > because they might have had harder time on getting a
> > job than I do.
> >
> > Since I posted my message, I had some job interviews.
> > Well, I will see how it will go.
> > Once again, Thanks you for encouragement and advices.
> > I will definitely let you know if I got hired.
> >
> >
> > jeongwoo
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/
> >
> > _________________________________
> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> _________________________________
> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> _________________________________
> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
_________________________________
FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
