>This is all well and good for the big time players, ISPs, big corps
>yadda yadda yadda, and companies with cash to burn like so much old toilet
>paper. The Small and Midsized Business market (SMB) almost always can
>accomplish what they want with free Unix or Linux for layer 3 and
>cheap stackable switches with or without 802.1q support.
>
>So my obligatory cisco alternative:
>www.zebra.org
And, in a non-information technology related SMB, who installs and supports it?
>
>On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:00:36PM -0600, William E. Gragido wrote:
>>There ServerIronXL Layer 4-7 switches are pretty cool boxes as well.
>>Foundry is also pretty nice in that their command line interface is awfully
>>reminiscent of Cisco's. The transition from one to the other should not be
>>too difficult.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Kolp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:41 PM
>>To: 'Brant Stevens'; 'William E. Gragido'; 'Howard C. Berkowitz';
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
>>
>>
>>Foundry prices are killer and the performance is top notch.
>>
>>We're planning a roll out with 40 OC-12 POS. Guess who our preferred
>>provider is?
>>
>>None other than foundry.
>>
>>-ck
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>>Brant Stevens
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:28 PM
>>To: William E. Gragido; 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
>>
>>
>>Not to mention Foundry...
>>
>>Brant I. Stevens
>>Internetwork Solutions Engineer
>>Thrupoint, Inc.
>>545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
>>New York, NY. 10017
>>646-562-6540
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>>William E. Gragido
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:47 PM
>>To: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
>>
>>
>>Riding on the coat tails of Howard's comments, there are also other players
>>out there like Lucent(home of the Nexibit N64000 Terabit Switch Router and
>>the Ascend product lines), Avici, Charlette's Web, Nortel etc., that offer
>>carrier grade solutions.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>>Howard C. Berkowitz
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:20 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers
>>
>>
>>A few comments, in which I think I am being reasonably objective.
>>
>>On this list, people periodically speak of the joys of Cisco, because
>>it offers end-to-end solutions. That is a very enterprise-oriented
>>view.
>>
>>Much more than in the enterprise space, carriers/ISPs tend to _want_
>>multivendor solutions. There are several reasons. They are
>>protected, to some extent, from bugs in the hardware or software of a
>>specific implementation. Next, if they have several qualified
>>vendors, they can get some protection against delivery backlogs from
>>one of them. The larger provider also can play competitive discount
>>and service games with the vendors.
>>
>>In this market, Juniper has the advantage of having built a product
>>as carrier-oriented from the ground up. There's a lot of bloat in IOS
>>due to the perception or need for legacy, usually
>>enterprise-oriented, features. Independent reviewers, such as the
>>Tolly group, have indicated that Junipers may have as good or better
>>throughput than equivalent Cisco products.
>>
>>No one vendor owns the entire carrier router space. Cisco's
>>advertising that ninety-some percent of the traffic in the internet
>>goes over the equipment of one company doesn't necessarily mean the
>>core bandwidth, but that the traffic at some point hits an enterprise
>>or carrier Cisco device. In any case, I prefer the variant of this
>>slogan I saw in someone's .sig (hoping I don't hit a filter)
>>"ninety-some percent of the p*rn*graphy in the Internet goes through
>>the equipment of one company." Said comment could be equally true of
> >Cisco's routers or Nortel's optics.
>>
>>Juniper and Cisco both make fine products.
>>
>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>I went to a BGP study session and the instructor said that major ISP use
>>>Juniper router to run BGP. Hope this help. PEACE
>>>
>>>
>>> Raheem
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>Reply-To: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Subject: alternative to Cisco routers
>>>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:09:59 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Anyone who have experience with Juniper routers would like to comment on
>>>>its performance (M20 and 40
>>>>series) in comparison to Cisco GSR 12000s. My company is in the process
>>>>of evaluating Juniper products
>>>>because we are not very happy with Cisco performance. Our router
>>>>crashes almost every week which is
>>>>unacceptable and Cisco didn't provide much help other than giving us
>>> >buggy IOS code.
>>>>
>>
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