You obviously can't do layer 3 SWITCHING with a box loaded with Linux. It
might do routing but definitely can't be used in an enterprise nor an ISP.
anthony kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> This is all well and good for the big time players, ISPs, big corps
> yadda yadda yadda, and companies with cash to burn like so much old toilet
> paper. The Small and Midsized Business market (SMB) almost always can
> accomplish what they want with free Unix or Linux for layer 3 and
> cheap stackable switches with or without 802.1q support.
>
> So my obligatory cisco alternative:
> www.zebra.org
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:00:36PM -0600, William E. Gragido wrote:
> >There ServerIronXL Layer 4-7 switches are pretty cool boxes as well.
> >Foundry is also pretty nice in that their command line interface is
awfully
> >reminiscent of Cisco's. The transition from one to the other should not
be
> >too difficult.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Christopher Kolp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:41 PM
> >To: 'Brant Stevens'; 'William E. Gragido'; 'Howard C. Berkowitz';
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
> >
> >
> >Foundry prices are killer and the performance is top notch.
> >
> >We're planning a roll out with 40 OC-12 POS. Guess who our preferred
> >provider is?
> >
> >None other than foundry.
> >
> >-ck
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Brant Stevens
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:28 PM
> >To: William E. Gragido; 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
> >
> >
> >Not to mention Foundry...
> >
> >Brant I. Stevens
> >Internetwork Solutions Engineer
> >Thrupoint, Inc.
> >545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
> >New York, NY. 10017
> >646-562-6540
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >William E. Gragido
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:47 PM
> >To: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
> >
> >
> >Riding on the coat tails of Howard's comments, there are also other
players
> >out there like Lucent(home of the Nexibit N64000 Terabit Switch Router
and
> >the Ascend product lines), Avici, Charlette's Web, Nortel etc., that
offer
> >carrier grade solutions.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Howard C. Berkowitz
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:20 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers
> >
> >
> >A few comments, in which I think I am being reasonably objective.
> >
> >On this list, people periodically speak of the joys of Cisco, because
> >it offers end-to-end solutions. That is a very enterprise-oriented
> >view.
> >
> >Much more than in the enterprise space, carriers/ISPs tend to _want_
> >multivendor solutions. There are several reasons. They are
> >protected, to some extent, from bugs in the hardware or software of a
> >specific implementation. Next, if they have several qualified
> >vendors, they can get some protection against delivery backlogs from
> >one of them. The larger provider also can play competitive discount
> >and service games with the vendors.
> >
> >In this market, Juniper has the advantage of having built a product
> >as carrier-oriented from the ground up. There's a lot of bloat in IOS
> >due to the perception or need for legacy, usually
> >enterprise-oriented, features. Independent reviewers, such as the
> >Tolly group, have indicated that Junipers may have as good or better
> >throughput than equivalent Cisco products.
> >
> >No one vendor owns the entire carrier router space. Cisco's
> >advertising that ninety-some percent of the traffic in the internet
> >goes over the equipment of one company doesn't necessarily mean the
> >core bandwidth, but that the traffic at some point hits an enterprise
> >or carrier Cisco device. In any case, I prefer the variant of this
> >slogan I saw in someone's .sig (hoping I don't hit a filter)
> >"ninety-some percent of the p*rn*graphy in the Internet goes through
> >the equipment of one company." Said comment could be equally true of
> >Cisco's routers or Nortel's optics.
> >
> >Juniper and Cisco both make fine products.
> >
> >
> >>John,
> >>
> >>I went to a BGP study session and the instructor said that major ISP use
> >>Juniper router to run BGP. Hope this help. PEACE
> >>
> >>
> >> Raheem
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>Reply-To: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>Subject: alternative to Cisco routers
> >>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:09:59 -0500
> >>>
> >>>Anyone who have experience with Juniper routers would like to comment
on
> >>>its performance (M20 and 40
> >>>series) in comparison to Cisco GSR 12000s. My company is in the
process
> >>>of evaluating Juniper products
> >>>because we are not very happy with Cisco performance. Our router
> >>>crashes almost every week which is
> >>>unacceptable and Cisco didn't provide much help other than giving us
> >> >buggy IOS code.
> >>>
> >
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