If your $4000 budget isn't going to move, you always have other options. 
Another factor here is- how long you are willing to wait? Every once in a 
while you can find someone to buy direct from. They might not know the 
street prices or miight not care how much they get for their equipment. 
Either way, you win.

If I had $4000 to create a Lab from scratch, I would probably shoot for a 
setup like this:

$2509- $800-$900
$2523- $800-$900
$2502- $400-$450
$2501- $500-$550
$2503- $550-$650
$2504- $425-$525
hub&mau- $30-$40

Total- $3505 - $4015

Use the rest to buy cables, and mabye another 2501/2502. Take your time when 
purchasing from ebay. You can sometimes find very good deals! Also, look for 
deals that include cables & high dram/flash. They don't normally influence 
the price much. You might even be able to sell back some of the flash to 
save yourself some money.

When you're on a limited budget like $4000, your strategy is quantity, not 
quality. If you spend half the cash to buy a 2901, you wouldn't have enough 
cash left to get a decent (IGP/BGP, DLSW, ect.) lab going. You also should 
look to create a lab that will scale for you in the future. Even though you 
don't have an ISDN simulator now, you have the routers available in case you 
decide to purchase one in the future.

I think the next step for a lab like this, money permitting, would be to buy 
an ISDN simulator. They are a little cheaper than a 2901, and they let you 
do a lot more.

I wouldn't even consider buying a switch. Once you have the money, go ahead 
and get a 2901/5000 (the prices for these 2 don't differ much). For now, you 
can get a hub or 2. If you need VLANS, buy more hubs.

Add a 2513 and you could do most of the fatkid labs!

Fred



>From: "EA Louie" 
>To: "Fred Danson" 
>Subject: Re: CCIE prep - review lab inventory and budget [7:3908]
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:27:55 -0700
>
>daaaaang, that's almost 2x my budget... grrrr... I guess I'd better look 
>for
>better deals - maybe go to work for an 'almost-ready-to-fail' dot-com???
>:-)
>
>thanks Fred, that was a great response.
>
>Eric
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fred Danson" 
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:01 PM
>Subject: Re: CCIE prep - review lab inventory and budget [7:3908]
>
>
> > I have a similar setup, here's what mine cost me (without shipping)-
> >
> > 2501- $550
> > 2502- $404
> > 2503- $630
> > 2504- $540
> > 2511- $900
> > 2523- $900
> > Cat1800 Token Switch- $300
> > 4000 w/2 ethernet, 1 token, 2 serial, 4 BRI- $1000
> > ISDN Simulator- $1800
> >
> > Total- $7024 (without shipping)
> >
> > I bought all of my equipment from ebay. Where are you planning on buying
> > yours from? Also, why would you need 4 hubs when you have a switch? You
> > could easily make the switch act like a number of hubs by creating 
>VLANS.
> >
> > If you have any questions, feel free to email me.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > >From: "EA Louie" 
> > >Reply-To: "EA Louie" 
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: CCIE prep - review lab inventory and budget [7:3908]
> > >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:09:22 -0400
> > >
> > >I'm getting ready (or in Texas, I'd be "a-fixin to git ready") to build 
>a
> > >CCIE
> > >lab prep setup, both for personal use and for the use of my local
> > >studygroup.
> > >Here's what I've identified - if I'm missing anything, please let me
>know.
> > >
> > >Here's the strategy I'm going to take for the equipment:
> > >
> > >1-2511 --- console server (w/ octal cable)
> > >1-2503 --- ISDN
> > >1-2504 --- ISDN
> > >1-2514 - dual eth
> > >1-2515 - dual t/r
> > >1-4000 w/NP-4T and NP-1E or NP-2E, and a BRI interface or two if they
>exist
> > >(F/R switch)
> > >1-2924-XL
> > >teltone isdn simulator
> > >3 token ring MAUs
> > >3 token ring media filters
> > >4 AUI-10BT transceivers
> > >4 Ethernet hubs
> > >6 60-pin DTE-DCE cables
> > >a bunch of Cat5 cables
> > >rack
> > >rackmount kits (or shelves)
> > >and a partridge in a pear tree  ;-)
> > >
> > >I'm budgeting about $4000 and if an additional 2501 falls into my
> > >possession
> > >by accident,
> > >so be it  ;-)
> > >
> > >That should provide most of what's needed and enough of the interface
>types
> > >required to
> > >practice configurations (especially desktop protocols and iBGP/eBGP).
>I'd
> > >love a Cat5k too, but I can't do it on this budget.
> > >
> > >What do you think about this parts list?  Pretty good for a start?  
>Think
> > >it's
> > >achievable with $4000?
> > >
> > >-e-
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