Louie if you walk into a totally dark room and fall into a three foot hole,
how many feet have you fallen.
If you walk into an amply lit room and fall into a three foot hole, how many
feet have you fallen.
The bar hasn't been lowered the situation just got brighter. You didn't
obtain the needed skills by birth, you had to obtain them somewhere.
Obviously they are easier to find now. I would venture to say that anything
that is on the Lab exam is freely available on the CCO site.and was when you
prepared for your exam, condensening that info and repackaging it just makes
it easier to prepare.
How many feet do you have to climb to get out of that hole lights on or off?
3
When I decided to obtain my CCIE in 98 there was probably only a hand full
of books. I am glad I waited, got my DP/NP a deluxe lab and plenty of
resources. Instead of trying it with a handful of Cisco press books and
maybe Giles. I believe his was the first guide. please correct me if I am
wrong.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louie Belt"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> When the CCIE cert first came about there were not 100+ books avilable to
> help you pass it. There were not a multitude of online labs, lab study
> guides, study groups, ... Since all of those items are now available, I
> feel the bar has been lowered. I'm for putting it back where it was.
>
> Additionally I'm studying for my second CCIE cert, I sincerely hope that
it
> is much tougher than my first. I want to maintain the value of the cert.
>
> Louie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Michael L. Williams
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
>
>
> I agree with you. It's awful easy for someone who's already gotten their
> CCIE (which when they passed the lab probably could be quoted as saying
> something like "that was the most difficult thing I've ever seen") to now
> say "Sure...... make it as difficult as possible.... "
>
> I don't know many CCIEs personally. Only a couple, and both of them said
> that given the time constraints of the lab (2 days), it is extremely
> difficult. So I don't think jamming it into 1 day just because Cisco is
too
> cheap to spring for more testing centers to keep up with demand is a
> "resonable solution". Isn't this why Cisco is contemplating making it 1
> day? Not to "raise the bar" of the level of the exam, but simply because
> they're testing centers can't handle the demand. Mashing into 1 day,
IMHO,
> would be a very poor decision.
>
> Agreeing with Brad, do all of the CCIEs that are out there have a problem
> with leaving the bar where it was when you passed it? It only seems fair.
>
> Mike W.
>
> "Bradley J. Wilson" wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If I weren't up to the challenge, I wouldn't be on this newsgroup. Are
> you
> > up to the challenge of leaving the bar at the same height that it was
when
> > *you* passed the test? I personally think the test is difficult enough
as
> > it is. Am I a wimp because of that? Do we need to dump some dirt on
the
> > top of Everest now that it's been conquered by someone else ahead of me?
> >
> > If Cisco wants to make the test "tougher," they're well within their
> rights
> > to do so. I just hope they don't call it the "CCIE" - call it something
> > different, and reset the numbers to zero (or 1025, whichever).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Louie Belt
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:33 AM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be
> tougher.
> > A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past.
This
> > has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the process (as witnessed by the
> > backlog of people taking the lab after breezing through the written).
> > Making it tougher is just a method of counterbalancing all of the
> increased
> > study aids and maintaining the value of the CCIE cert.
> >
> > If you truly want to obtain your CCIE then you should want it to be as
> > difficult as possible, otherwise where is the value in the cert? If you
> are
> > not up to the challenge, then don't make the attempt.
> >
> > As for who should evaluate the CCIE program - most (not all)employers
> > couldn't begin to answer the questions about what is needed from a CCIE.
> > The biggest employer of CCIE's is Cisco (by far) so they should already
> have
> > an idea of what is needed. Cisco has been respectful enough of the CCIE
> > population to also ask for their input and most have given it willingly.
> >
> > My main interested is in preserving the value of the CCIE cert. I am
> > currently studying for my 2nd CCIE cert and still hope they make it
> tougher
> > (before I complete it). I also hope they make the recertification tests
> > tougher as well.
> >
> > I'm up to the challenge - are you?
> >
> >
> > Louie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Bradley J. Wilson
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:11 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > Forgive my cynicism, but any CCIE *would* want the lab to be tougher -
> they
> > would know that any CCIEs that came along after they received their
number
> > increase the supply, thus lowering the cost of the good. ;-)
> >
> > I think Cisco ought to be asking companies who *hire* CCIEs what skills
> > *they* would like to see in those who carry the CCIE certification - not
> the
> > number-carrying CCIEs themselves.
> >
> > BJ
> >
> > P.S. And while I'm feeling cynical...can we please move the "NT vs.
UNIX"
> > nonsense to private emails or perhaps a different mail list?
Theeeeenks.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Belt, Louie
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:15 PM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > I filled out my survey and told them I wanted it to stay a two day lab -
> > and if anything - make it tougher. The explosion of materials available
> to
> > help people get though the written and prepare for the lab has taken
some
> of
> > the challenge out of the process in my opinion. I would prefer they
keep
> it
> > a 2 day lab, make it mean as h*** and keep the prestige in the cert. I
> also
> > told them I did not want them to stop issuing the medal for those who
> > succeed.
> >
> > Louie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CCIE Wanna BE
> > To: Belt, Louie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
> > Sent: 6/1/01 8:23 AM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> > So what is everyone's take?
> > --- "Belt, Louie" wrote:
> > > That is simply one possible solution. They have
> > > sent a survey out to all of
> > > the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions.
> > >
> > > Louie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CCIE Wanna BE
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 6/1/01 5:35 AM
> > > Subject: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> > >
> > > A Cisco manager/CCIE told me that Cisco was planing
> > > on
> > > moving from the two day CCIE lab, to a one day
> > > (because of the back log). But the 1 day isn't
> > > going
> > > to be easier, it's going to be harder....
> > >
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