Hi,

Great. Nowadays you have IPSec, MPLS, Voice, Optical and you still need
CLNS/CLNP
for IS-IS. You can also argue whether Appletalk or IPX should be removed
or not.
These are important protocols that should be placed in an add-on
certification
for Desktop or Client/server issues. Me thinks people are right claiming
that in
IOS 9.xx or 10.xx times the exam was easier. It's the sheer amount of
topics and
their synergies that are killing us now. 

I'd happily trade X.25 or DecNet versus MPLS or IPsec ;-).
Just kidding, these topics are far too interesting.

Besides, hopefully we all learned from the failure of the Design CCIE.
It is not possible to measure one's ability in design and architecture
objectively.
Hence, me thinks the CCND is pointless and waste of time too. 
One can also argue whether a CCIE lab based on time-pressure and
protocol memorization
is the best way of measuring a candidate's ability in network
engineering.

My 0.02$,
Gernot

Louie Belt wrote:
> 
> I agree there is no way to talk apples to apples - too many things have
> changed - but don't forget you no longer have to deal with LAT, X.25, CLNS,
> DEC, Banyan Vines, Appollo, Appletalk or ATM Lane.  (Voice was already on
> the lab prior to these items being removed.)
> 
> My concern is with the material that is not focused on teaching you
> networking (I have no problem with that), but on the material the simply
> teaches you how to pass the test (kind of like all of the Microsoft
> braindump material available - desinged only to help you pass the test).  I
> see too much material as of late that is way too focused on passing the
lab,
> not on learning networking.
> 
> Louie




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