I don't think they will (or should) drop any of the days. Although
troubleshooting is the most common activity to a CCIE, I think is also
important to know how to "build" a network from scratch. I think that what
they're going to do is a mix of both days, just removing certification
objectives already covered by CCNA and CCNP (as soon as they start requiring
these certifications for a CCIE candidate).
ER
CCNA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owned"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
I think if they do drop the first day portion, it would probably be a much
better test in regards to a real world scenario.
Working as a 24/7 on call network engineer for a consulting firm, I rarely
get a chance to actually physically see a network before I get the call
"It's broken, please come and fix it now...oh, and by the way we're sorry
but we don't have any current documentation of our network." At least in
the test if they give you what it's supposed to be in documentation you're
one step ahead of the game.
Unless you're a on staff network engineer working 9-5 at one location, who
knows the network by heart (and a quick phone call away from the TAC to back
you up), a blind one day pure troubleshooting exam would be the ultimate
test to qualify a true CCIExpert.
In fact the one day test would still most likely be EASIER than a real world
scenario, since in the test there aren't so many other variables to
consider, including hardware failure, multi-vendor installations and yes the
all popular end-user "modifications" :-) .
In the real world it's you against the network and the only person you can
depend on is yourself. I have only three years in this field and my goal to
attain the CCIE is hopefully in my near future, but I want to earn the
certificate to represent not just my study and test taking skills but the
EXPERIENCE of many years hands on work. A CCIE cert should NOT be
attainable by a canidate first, then used to go looking for a job...
Just my take... :-)
Owen Edwards
MCSE+I / CCDP / CCNP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Skinner"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
> you know,
>
> what makes me smile is that everyone seems to thinking this is a good
> idea.......NO
>
> let me see......on the current lab you have one day to build it and one
day
> to fix it.....which day do we believe they will drop....
>
> the first is the most obvious...which means
>
>
> you walk in on day one to a blind network and have to fix it to get a
> pass...
>
> you get A sheet of paper telling you what this network is SUPPOSED to be..
>
> Anyone had to do that before??????... i have and i know to go from NEVER
> seeing a network to running at full speed to fix it ....and in one day is
> not easy.....it`s harder..much harder.......
>
> scared.... i can smell it
>
>
> steve
>
> >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz"
> >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
> >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:03:39 -0400
> >
> > >it's all over the CCIE list. Cisco is going to a one day lab.
Speculation
> >is
> > >that they are eliminating all the B.S. and C.S. stuff. Some of us are
> > >guessing that a candidate will walk into a router/switch pod that is
> > >preconfigured with the basic stuff, and that to prove your
CCIExpertise,
> >you
> > >will have to accomplish advanced tasks like redistribution, adding
voice
> >and
> > >VPN's, maybe adding BGP, and fixing a couple of complex bugs. Pure
> > >speculation at this point. I believe I read somewhere that Cisco will
be
> > >making a major announcement on the web site next week.
> > >
> > >Chuck
> >
> >
> >Far be it from me to suggest they would do something so sensible, but
> >wouldn't it help if they added simulation of the "basic stuff" on the
> >written (or maybe call it the pretest?)
> >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:42 PM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: A post in alt.certification.cisco all should read [7:9286]
> > >
> > >Hi All...
> > >
> > >There is a post on the Usenet news group alt.certification.cisco that
> >anyone
> > >interested in the CCIE certification should read. The post is titled
> > >"Changes to CCIE Exams Upcoming". I would just cut and paste it here,
but
> > >frankly it appears to be a email for the director of the CCIE program
> >that
> > >was not intended for the public.
> > >
> > >HTH
> > >--
> > >John Hardman CCNP MCSE
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