this is a bit nit-picky, but it is irritating to rent bootcamp rack time, and spend a significant amount of it hassling with the cabling that does not match the lab diagrams. which end is DCE, which end is DTE, and finding you have to cross reference with the updated web pages for the new rack equipment.
BTW, none of the rack rental places make me happy. start times are east coast, and I live on the west coast. I do not enjoy the early start, lazy as I am. when the real Lab moved the start date up an hour I cried ;-> the material in bootcamp is good stuff. I am NOT knocking it. however, being older, and based on now obsolete lab requirements, some of the stuff is a bit distracting. yeah, I know, skip over it. still.... one more thing - the ip addressing - particularly for the device that used to be but no longer is the term server. the material really COULD use a revision. same way that writers update their books based on new technology and new techniques. I suppose one COULD argue that this is the kind of real world one constantly walks into. :-> Chuck -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Ellis Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Preparation Workbook [7:24920] Jason, Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to do our labs: 2x 2501s (R1, R4) 2x 2503s (for ISDN) (R5, R6) 1x 2511 (reverse telnet AS) (access-server, can also use for R9) 3x 2513s (TR/Ether) (R2, R3, R8) (or for R8 you can use a 4000M) 1x 2522 (frame-switch) (R7) 2x 36xx (voice/atm) (R13/R14, or R11/R12) ISDN Simulator Catalyst 5k switch: sup1/WS-X5213 3900 TR Switch LS1010 (to do most of the labs, you can get away with just the 2500 series routers, and skip the ATM/voice stuff. you can then do the ATM/voice stuff on a remote rack) That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say "different equipment" are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? There is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not have to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on single sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do you really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and don't mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level engineer and expect the individual to really "know there stuff." I thought I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even knew of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I actually knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the errors, removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our racks (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com ""Jason"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp (and > Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does say > something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers > everything. > > Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the defactor > standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts creeping > in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. > > Quick Comparision > > First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a stack > of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the pages > due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, then I > must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all > printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors and > definitely not using your inkjet printer. > > Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more distracting > due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts > builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the standard > lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. IP > Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. > CCBootCamp scenerios is more tricky in certain ways. > > Recommendation : CCBootCamp for more experienced engineers and IPExperts for > those who wants to focus on individual topics. If you are not sure , I > suggest going for IPExperts first although I would give both 8/10 for the > lab scenerios . > > Value for money : CCBootCamp is more expensive (about 50% more) , but has > been around longer and has a proven ability to provides updates although > somewhat irregular . IPExperts has not stated their official policy on > updates, is it free or will there be some small fees. I have bought > CCBootCamp more than a year ago and I'm still receiving updates free . > Looking at the bigger picture, would $200 differences makes a huge > differences to you if you divided it by 12 months ? On the other hand, > IPExperts has also provided a couple of updates since they started and has > proven to be responsive to comments. > > All in, I still find both good and I believe that the competitions would > only lead them to improve their services. If you have the $$$, get both, > otherwise, IPExperts would be a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > ""Michael Cinquanti"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of CertificationZone > > and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis knows > > 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that > > one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been > > selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do not > yet > > have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But > > based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the fact > > that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an excellent > > study > > tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many > > CCIEs and more. > > > > As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert Workbook > > has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the new > > one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be > > distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. > > > > We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed the > > lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. They > > think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab Exam > > and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from a > guy > > who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE > > website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already earned > > his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. > > > > But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can Brad > > Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but don't > > depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab candidates > > looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives > > carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone > > numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for references, > and > > contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can afford > > to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. > > > > >I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I do > know > > >of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their > CCIE...I > > >havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get their #. > > >:) > > > > > >Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. In > > >fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by removing > the > > >obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means we > give > > >you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). > > > > > >thanks, > > >-Brad Ellis > > >CCIE#5796 > > >Network Learning Inc > > >www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > > >""Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen"" wrote in message > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab in > June > > >> 2002. > > >> I've found the following two on the net: > > >> > > >> - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 > > >> - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription > > >> > > >> Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best choice? > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen > > >> CCNP, CCDP, MCSE > > Mike Cinquanti > > President > > Genium Publishing Corporation Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25892&t=24920 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
