You hit the nail on the head Chuck, and I have told others that what they have you do in the lab is configure a working network in such a way you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy.
Yes it's turned into an profit making industry but it hasn't always been so. When I went to the lab there was one lab, San Jose, and there were no books, mail lists, boot camps, etc... As big as Cisco is they are market driven and as long as people see a value in obtaining a cert they will do so and someone will offer help in getting there, it's called free market economics. And Jason, if you know how to design quality labs, make them available for free, something the for profits in your eyes can't, what ya waitin for!!! Sound like your just lettin off steam dude. Dave Chuck Larrieu wrote: > having expressed similar sentiments myself, I'm not disagreeing in > principal. > > However, I would suggest that there is still MUCH of value in the bootcamp > labs. > > Being a two time loser, I am re-examining my study methods. One of the > conclusions I've reached is that I have been looking at the practice > materials in a less than optimal manner. I still believe that one major part > is correctly identifying the core topics, and mastering them. But I am > adding a bit of dimension that I have been overlooking. for example - if I > were to determine that redistribution was a core topic, then instead of > concentrating merely on redistributing between protocols ( something that > still should be studied ) I should also concentrate on gaining familiarity > with various tools that can be used for redistribution and route filtering. > that might mean distribute lists, route tagging, and route maps, and various > combinations of them all. > > If I believe that ip telephony is a core topic, then I might want to > familiarize myself with the kinds of things that must be done to set up dial > peers in various ways. And there are a lot of ways to do that, so I am > discovering. > > if I believe that authentication is a core topic, then I might want to > practice authentication for all the routing protocols that support it, and > for NTP, which can use authentication. Not to mention ISDN PAP and CHAP. > > if I believe that .... well, you get the idea. > > One thing I think everyone who has gone through the lab will agree upon - > the scenarios are designed to trip you up by requiring something that on the > face of it is stupid. the most famous of these is the "no static route" rule > that seems to have become common knowledge. there are a number of others, > all designed to screw reachability, which in turn costs you because you > can't perform other tasks properly. I have heard others use the term > "twisted" to describe some of the lab scenarios. > > that being the case, bootcamp labs do force one to think in a similar > "twisted" manner. > > as to NLI "making a buck of those pursuing their CCIE" more power to them. > Hell, Cisco is making a buck on that too. > > best wishes. > > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Jason > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: ccbootcamp labs [7:29512] > > I was looking in to purchasing the labs from ccbootcamp, but correct me > if I am wrong, they look outdated and full of annoying little errors. > Ccbootcamp says that > it is a subscription but how many have they sent out in the last 3 > months? Zero! Or even the last six months. One! This just looks to be > a big scam! These guys > wouldn't last a minute if there was some real competition, who made > worth while labs. What a joke. Maybe, since we are all in this > together, we could collectively make > some labs and share them among the group. I will release some of the > ones I have been working on for FREE after I refine them. I say forget > ccbootcamp. They > just want to make a buck. Its time this group got some quality labs with > out having to spend even more money! > > -jason > Pissed off individuale, tired of people making a buck of OUR quest for > the CCIE -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Senior Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=29608&t=29512 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
