Marc,

Since you're here, need to comment.
I believed that your labs are great for those who will take the lab, but 
could you please consider that $650 is too expensive expecially when I'm in 
poor Asian country but had a DREAM TO BE CCIE.

Ben Liang Tan
(Still trying to get 4 magic number)

>From: "Marc Russell" 
>Reply-To: "Marc Russell" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ccbootcamp labs [7:29512]
>Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:17:23 -0500
>
>Not even sure how to respond in a politically correct manner to a post such
>as this, but I will try my best. I must say that if someone is going to
>publicly slam a company as a "scam" it would carry more weight if they used
>a real e-mail address and if it came from an individual that has actually
>posted on Groupstudy before. However, I need to be fair and will just 
>assume
>that this user may have just setup a new e-mail account wrong and did not
>intentionally try to hide behind a fake e-mail address for their first post
>on Groupstudy.
>
>Yes, we have fallen behind in creating new labs, as we have been busy
>creating new labs and setting up hardware for our Security CCIE products
>that we are now just releasing. We have also been busy with several other
>new products and upgrades that will become available next year. Expect to
>see lab 21 for our R&S lab subscription in the next few weeks. Our
>subscription product started with 7 labs and we have added 14 new labs 
>since
>then with another on the way very soon.
>
>In addition, our practice labs 1-20 are in the process of being upgraded to
>the new 1-day format, removing old content on labs 1-14, and fixing all
>known errors. All new labs will follow this format as they are released.
>This upgrade will be offered as a complete set, when they are all complete.
>Keep in mind that the 1-day or 2-day format issue is really a non-issue. 
>The
>content for both lab formats is the same. Now you just have your lab cabled
>for you with same basic configs started and less time to work with. Your
>preparation and knowledge for both exam types is exactly the same. The only
>minor difference is the requirement for increased speed as you have less
>time and the lack of a dedicated troubleshooting section. Subscription
>customers will receive all updates and new labs as they are released for
>free except for the cost of delivery.
>
>I do agree with part of your post. CCIE candidates should use Groupstudy's
>open forum to exchange study ideas, strategies, labs, info, etc. I have
>always recommended that all CCIE candidates join Paul's CCIE mailing list,
>as it is a great resource. I have never recommended that a CCIE candidate
>use our lab material as their only resource for preparation as any topic is
>fair game on the lab exam and you may have some weak areas that need more
>practice. However, as our reviews at
>(http://www.ccbootcamp.com/customer_reviews.htm) show many individuals have
>had great success working our company with many passing on their pass
>attempt. The road to CCIE is very difficult and most individuals will have
>to use a variety of resources to be successful.
>
>Did I create my company to make a buck? Heck yes. I didn't setup a training
>room, 3800 sq. feet of office space, 5 remote racks, 6 classroom racks, a
>development rack, hire people, etc. just for fun. There are many companies
>that offer training services to help individuals to get certified in a
>variety of computer technologies from a range of different manufacturers. 
>We
>are no different.
>
>
>
>Marc Russell CEO
>Network Learning, Inc.
>1677 W. Hamlin
>Rochester Hills, MI 48309
>Ph# 248-299-8114
>www.ccbootcamp.com
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>""Jason""  wrote in message
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I was looking in to purchasing the labs from ccbootcamp, but correct me
> > if I am wrong,  they look outdated and full of annoying little errors.
> > Ccbootcamp says that
> > it is a subscription but how many have they sent out in the last 3
> > months? Zero!  Or even the last six months. One!  This just looks to be
> > a big scam!  These guys
> > wouldn't last a minute if there was some real competition, who made
> > worth while labs.  What a joke.  Maybe, since we are all in this
> > together, we could collectively make
> > some labs and share them among the group.  I will release some of the
> > ones I have been working on for FREE after I refine them. I say forget
> > ccbootcamp.  They
> > just want to make a buck. Its time this group got some quality labs with
> > out having to spend even more money!
> >
> > -jason
> > Pissed off individuale, tired of people making a buck of OUR quest for
> > the CCIE
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