I agree with everything said so far...what needs to change is the way Microsoft, and now Cisco and most training providers and study guide publishers advertise the IT industry as a way of making the 'big bucks' - the only people making the big bucks are these guys. People looking for a career change read the hype about how much money can be made becoming an MCSE, CCNA etc so they take courses, study guides, practice exams - with no experience - get the cert then all of a sudden the industry is flooded.
I'd like to see something like what Compaq does with the ASE - you can only get the cert if you are working for a Compaq partner....this would really cut down on the amount of paper certified people. A little heavy handed but i think for the best in the long term - at least protects the integrity of the certification industry and the industry in general. ""Guy"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A CCIE With no work experience???? > > I think most employers would shy away from that! A CCNP, or CCNA possible, > but CCIE... Im not sure. That would be like a Brain surgeon with no work > experience... WHat would you pay him to operate on your brain???? > > Makes you think eh??? I think your best bet is to get a job as a CCNP or > CCNA, get a year or two experience (Minimum) then worry about CCIE. Maybe > work some other certs in there too, like Unix or maybe Microsoft or > something to round you out a bit more and make some opportunities in the > market for yourself... Or firewalls, and or something like tripwire etc... > > My point is, If you have a CCNA, CCNP, CCIE, and 50 other certifications > behind your name, and no work experience, poeple are going to know you are a > good test taker, but you will still be starting off at the bottom. With a > salary range of maybe 30-50k But that CCIE is not going to make it 100k no > matter what your cousins brother or whatever told you. All the > certifications are for is to take someone who has the experience, and > skills, and gives them something they can use as proof of their expertise. > > It is not for an entry level person to get so they can get a higher start > pay... All that does is cheapen the cert. > > Look at the MCSE. Back when I took my MCSE, that cert gave me credibility. I > walked out of every interview with an offer. I could make my own choices. I > took my MCSE after several years of workwith Net systems including Novell, > IBM OS/2, and Microsoft. It was more of a proof of my skill set. Not a proof > I can read Brain Dumps, and hope I will do ok if someone gives me the > chance... > > Now days you mention MCSE, and what goes through your mind??? Thats right > Worthless..... > > Now why is that? > > Its because people with no skills heard of someone who became an MCSE, and > started making 70k or whatever... Then that person decided,.... Hey, I can > do that.... And found Transcenders etc... Became an M CSE, but cant even > copy files to a floppy .... > > This happened on a large scale, and soon employers were hiring worthless > MCSEs, and were getting frustrated... > > Now, in the IT industry, it has become a low level Cert... TO me that ticks > me off. Ive been an MCSE since 96, and mine is prrof of the pudding.... not > a piece of paper... > > Now, Cisco is becoming the same way. Look at how many people are becoming > CCNP...CCNA...etc... How many of those people could configure a medium level > network lab without the directions???? > > How many could trouble shoot their way out of a paper bag???? > > If people dont try to really learn the systems, all certifications will be > no better than a 3rd grade diploma! > > sorry for my soap box, just really feel people take these things the wrong > way.... If people dont wake up, then all of this is for nothing... > > I would not be happy spending a couple thousand dollars to get a 3rd grade > diploma???? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Carr" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:26 PM > Subject: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > > > > what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=33957&t=33899 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
