Contract companies generally find this a "good" situation.  I've seen on
many occasions where an experienced CCIE will start a contract, then he
or she (the versed CCIE) will become part-time and a much much less
experienced (usually new CCIE or a former instructor) will enter into
the picture.  It's a win for the new guy because he or she is getting
the much needed experience (@ a nervous pace I might add), it's a win
for the contract company that is paying the CCIE peanuts and billing big
CCIE dollars for their employee, but unfortunately the customer
generally loses.  I have seen entire government (hard to get fired)
contracts canceled after 12 months of shenanigans such as these.

My .02
Phil

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William Gragido
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:52 PM
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Subject: RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]

No, not at all.  Here's my take on this.  First off:  No company in
their
right minds will take a 'CCIE with no work experience' and pay him/her
top
dollar or anything even near the perimeter of top dollar.  Why might you
ask?  Due to the impracticality of such an undertaking.  There is a
possibility that a VAR might do so only to further garnish their
relationship with the Vendor, but I still feel that it is unlikely.
Secondly, what in your humble/honest opinion do you perceive a CCIE with
no
work experience is worth?  Be honest, be truthful.  This may be a
difficult
concept to face but reality tells me after being in this biz my entire
adult
life that a person with this certification and no practical experience
is an
entry level person who shows promise and got lucky.

My two cents,

Regards,

Will

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Scott M. Trieste
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]


Am I not the only one that is insulted by this question??

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> what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work
experience.
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