I have to jump in here. The original post said he had an impressive lab. If he uses the lab and works through scenarios, isn't this what the rest of you are calling experience. He doesn't get paid to do it, but he probably would end up with more experience than some of the people that we all work with collecting a pay check.
IMHO Dean Whitley p.s. Joe, from the sounds of your post and initiative to achieve all those certs, I think a company would be foolish to not hire someone like you. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] Marshal, I totally agree, I dont think it's impossible for a candidate to pass without real-world hands-on experience. IMHO the program is actually quite a bit harder now, than it was a couple years ago. The program DID start as a way to test for hands-on experience, but the program has gone a different direction in the past couple years. There's such a wide/diverse and focused consulting/implementation field, I think it would be extremely difficult to focus on testing "hands-on." There would have to be 30+ different CCIE specialization programs (with a much larger variety of hardware/software differences used for each specialization as well). It would be an administrative nightmare for Cisco to administer such a program. -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/quicklinks.html ""Marshal Schoener"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I disagree. > There is not a Cisco test, nor any technical test for that matter that a > person can't pass with a whole lot of studying and some lab time. > > Yes the CCIE lab is extremely difficult. But to say it's impossible to pass > without 'real world' experience is just wrong. > > Regards, > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:09 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > > > Is there such > "D CCIE with no experience" > I highly doubt that ladies and gents, The whole point of a CCIE Lab is to > prove the experience you have gained in the field and how you go about > building and troubleshooting a network. > Friends of mine that are good engineers with extensive experience failed > the exam first time. > The amount of time you get in the lab exam gives you no time to refer back > to the documentation cd or to even think to hard!, you have to know exactly > what to do and how to do it and you have to do as fast as you possibly > can. > Anyone that has attempted the lab knows how draining it is both physically > and especially mentally. It is not easy! > For those of us attempting the lab and for those that have already achieved > there numbers we know we cannot do it without hands on and a good > troubleshooting base. > Good Luck > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > > > Man that's an insult. A CCIE with no experience. I guess I will go back > to building race cars. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Carr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > > > what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=34348&t=33899 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
