Thank you, Kevin. Larry Puckette Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP Temple Inland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512/434-1838
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] nope - don't like this. That makes me a slave to a company. If you haven't guessed I'm a contractor. If I couldn't get the cert then I would lose most of my business. I don't want to work for someone else (unless I go into semi-retirement). I paid for all my training and my exams. The cert belongs to me. If the company paid the training/exams then I owe them either repayment or a guaranteed term of work. But when/if I leave after fulfilling the requirement - the cert goes with me. Kevin Wigle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Nadalin" To: Sent: Thursday, 31 January, 2002 17:09 Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > I agree with everything said so far...what needs to change is the way > Microsoft, and now Cisco and most training providers and study guide > publishers advertise the IT industry as a way of making the 'big bucks' - > the only people making the big bucks are these guys. People looking for a > career change read the hype about how much money can be made becoming an > MCSE, CCNA etc so they take courses, study guides, practice exams - with no > experience - get the cert then all of a sudden the industry is flooded. > > I'd like to see something like what Compaq does with the ASE - you can only > get the cert if you are working for a Compaq partner....this would really > cut down on the amount of paper certified people. A little heavy handed but > i think for the best in the long term - at least protects the integrity of > the certification industry and the industry in general. > > > ""Guy"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > A CCIE With no work experience???? > > > > I think most employers would shy away from that! A CCNP, or CCNA possible, > > but CCIE... Im not sure. That would be like a Brain surgeon with no work > > experience... WHat would you pay him to operate on your brain???? > > > > Makes you think eh??? I think your best bet is to get a job as a CCNP or > > CCNA, get a year or two experience (Minimum) then worry about CCIE. Maybe > > work some other certs in there too, like Unix or maybe Microsoft or > > something to round you out a bit more and make some opportunities in the > > market for yourself... Or firewalls, and or something like tripwire etc... > > > > My point is, If you have a CCNA, CCNP, CCIE, and 50 other certifications > > behind your name, and no work experience, poeple are going to know you are > a > > good test taker, but you will still be starting off at the bottom. With a > > salary range of maybe 30-50k But that CCIE is not going to make it 100k no > > matter what your cousins brother or whatever told you. All the > > certifications are for is to take someone who has the experience, and > > skills, and gives them something they can use as proof of their expertise. > > > > It is not for an entry level person to get so they can get a higher start > > pay... All that does is cheapen the cert. > > > > Look at the MCSE. Back when I took my MCSE, that cert gave me credibility. > I > > walked out of every interview with an offer. I could make my own choices. > I > > took my MCSE after several years of workwith Net systems including Novell, > > IBM OS/2, and Microsoft. It was more of a proof of my skill set. Not a > proof > > I can read Brain Dumps, and hope I will do ok if someone gives me the > > chance... > > > > Now days you mention MCSE, and what goes through your mind??? Thats right > > Worthless..... > > > > Now why is that? > > > > Its because people with no skills heard of someone who became an MCSE, and > > started making 70k or whatever... Then that person decided,.... Hey, I can > > do that.... And found Transcenders etc... Became an M CSE, but cant even > > copy files to a floppy .... > > > > This happened on a large scale, and soon employers were hiring worthless > > MCSEs, and were getting frustrated... > > > > Now, in the IT industry, it has become a low level Cert... TO me that > ticks > > me off. Ive been an MCSE since 96, and mine is prrof of the pudding.... > not > > a piece of paper... > > > > Now, Cisco is becoming the same way. Look at how many people are becoming > > CCNP...CCNA...etc... How many of those people could configure a medium > level > > network lab without the directions???? > > > > How many could trouble shoot their way out of a paper bag???? > > > > If people dont try to really learn the systems, all certifications will be > > no better than a 3rd grade diploma! > > > > sorry for my soap box, just really feel people take these things the wrong > > way.... If people dont wake up, then all of this is for nothing... > > > > I would not be happy spending a couple thousand dollars to get a 3rd grade > > diploma???? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Carr" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:26 PM > > Subject: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] > > > > > > > what would be the average starting pay for CCIE with no work experience. 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