I think the experience thing is the way to go.  The market will get better
sooner or later.  I read something yesterday that stated the BA will lag
behind the rest of the country in recovering from the recession.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Marc Maxwell
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]


Well, I agree.  But the only thing I can do is try to remain optimistic.  I
relocated to the Bay area just prior to 9/11, the market wasn't great to
begin with but just got worse.......*hopefully* with no more major
catastrophes,  consumer confidence and spending will grow...

As far as certs go, I am holding off getting some certs until I get the
required experience to back it up.  I am gauging it as I go.  It takes more
discipline this way but will be more rewarding in the long run and I will be
stronger for it I believe.



----- Original Message -----
From: "adam lee"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:58 PM
Subject: RE: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]


> Here in the Bay Area you might be unemployed for a long time no matter
what
> cert you have.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> nrf
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
>
>
> ""Steven A. Ridder""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Well in the good old days of the economy, I made more than that even
> before
> > becoming a CCNA.  I would never settle for 50k, even in this econ.,
>
> If you're just a CCNA and you won't settle for 50k now, well then you
might
> be out of work for some time - a very very long time.
>
>
> > especially as a CCIE.  Plus, a CCIE IMO should already have exp., and
lots
> > of it.  Otherwise it defeats the purpose of becoming a CCIE - cisco
> > certified internet EXPERT!
> >
> > --
> > RFC 1149 Compliant.
> >
> > ""Sean Knox""  wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > A CCNA with little or no experience? Hardly. He's lucky to even land a
> job
> > > right now. I think this intern program is aimed at people new to the
> > field.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:50 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
> > >
> > >
> > > A CCNA makes more than 50k.  And you wouldn't have to pay your company
> to
> > > work for them and get training.  Most companies pay you and pay for
your
> > > training.
> > >
> > > --
> > > RFC 1149 Compliant.
> > >
> > > ""Sean Knox""  wrote in message
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > I've taken some classes at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE
intern
> > > > program works like this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which
is
> > not
> > > > cheap I should add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I
vaguely
> > > > remember that the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work
as
> a
> > > > subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially   less money than a
> CCIE
> > is
> > > > "worth", (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for
> > those
> > > > with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this
program),
> > it
> > > > works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain the program
> more
> > in
> > > > detail.
> > > >
> > > > - Sean
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of
the
> > > > dough for awhile??  Just speculating of course..
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And upon finishing the program, how many years of slavery will we
> > > > > unfortunate ones be indebted to your gracious company? :-)
> > > > > Can you clarify this??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Jason Lee"
> > > > > >Reply-To: "Jason Lee"
> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091]
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP located in anaheim
> > > > > >california
> > > > > >we are currently looking for few candidates to go through our
very
> > > > intense
> > > > > >cisco training, also to note that upon finishing the program CEA
> > (cisco
> > > > > >expert academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have
> > > > information
> > > > > >session going on every other friday, so if this sounds
interesting
> to
> > > > you,
> > > > > >or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp please give me
a
> > > call.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jason Lee
> > > > > >IT specialist
> > > > > >714-783-1083
> > > > > >www.ICTP.com
> > > > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.
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