I'm not sure that the "limited education" part is accurate. Most extant accounts reveal that his (not-derived-from-an-accredited-institution, of course) education was profound enough to leave him bored, truly bored by the academic obligations imposed upon him during his year at Harvard. I'm trying to imagine a scenario whereby he graduates, and ONLY earns as much as an exceptional Harvard graduate. Assuming some kind of visionary insight/prescience, wouldn't his parents feel cheated by that result after doling out 4 years worth of IVY-League tuition & room/board???
----- Original Message ----- From: "nrf" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > ""William Gragido"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of someone > > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in > the > > business world. > > You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. > > Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've > developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut > and pasted it from the site I posted it before: > > "...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are > indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves > strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, > surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, > Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet > interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards of > Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost invariably, > those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else > generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the > most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, MIT, > Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations > of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates > himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily well-educated > management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the > value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly useful > (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), then > why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft management > team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that > degree." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > nrf > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:10 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > > > > I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, > a > > CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you want > > out of life. > > > > However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for a company > that > > is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to > take > > it. If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees > as > > you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. > > > > > > > > ""Wes Stevens"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and am > > > perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss > with > > > the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid > off > > at > > > 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up > > there > > > in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a > job. > > I > > > work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this > > > economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back > from > > > 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in > > > Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. My > > boss > > > and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local > > > market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the > > > company as they are cutting back everywhere. > > > > > > Just some food for thought. > > > > > > > > > >From: "nrf" > > > >Reply-To: "nrf" > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 > > > > > > > >""Drew"" wrote in message > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Sean Knox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, > I > > > >am > > > > > > content with that for now and and getting more experience > > (fortunately > > > >I > > > >am > > > > > > not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this > > > >awhile). > > > > > > Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I made a similar decision myself within the last few weeks. I had > > > > > planned on pursuing my CCIE-Security, but realize that I don't work > > > > > enough with Cisco products on a daily basis, and certainly not with > > > > > routing in a complex way, to feel that I would deserve the cert, > even > > > > > if I attained it. I'm going back to school for my MS in CS, > starting > > > > > classes in June. > > > > > > > > > > I think in the long run, an advanced degree is more of a benefit > than > > > > > an advanced vendor cert. But thats just me. > > > > > > > >Exactly. Especially later in your life. Fiddling with Cisco boxes > might > > > >be > > > >cool now, but do you still want to be doing that when you're 50? > > Probably > > > >not, you probably want to be sitting in a director's chair ordering > other > > > >young guys to set up the systems. It's hard to win promotion to that > > chair > > > >without an advanced education. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42131&t=41809 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
