Have you tried the IPSec that is built into windows 2000?

Daniel Ladrach
CCNA, CCNP
WorldCom


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Columbus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 1:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Alternatives to Cisco VPN client [7:42604]
> 
> 
> I certainly appreciate the security risks.  However, there are some 
> circumstances where the risks are reduced (notice I'm not saying 
> eliminated) by circumstance.  For example, many clients are 
> behind hardware 
> firewalls that allow only designated inbound traffic (forget about 
> tunneling at the firewall for the moment).  Additionally, the 
> clients are 
> kept strictly updated with antivirus/trojan detection 
> software.  Also, the 
> VPN client itself could be combined with a local personal firewall 
> function, much like the Cisco VPN 3.5 client tries to do with 
> it's stateful 
> inspection feature.
> I don't see much security difference between a properly 
> configured client 
> allowing this connection and a router-router peer VPN setup 
> that tunnels 
> based on destination address.  Of course the routers have 
> access lists 
> controlling tunnel access, but clients could have effectively 
> the same 
> control with proper software installed.
> I'm not necessarily debating whether this *should* be done.  
> It's really up 
> to the individual admin to determine.  In some cases the 
> security risk is 
> too great, in other situations, it's perfectly acceptable.  I 
> just want to 
> see the functionality available.
> 
> At 08:35 PM 4/25/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >On Sep 15,  1:00pm, "Craig Columbus" wrote:
> >}
> >} I've got a major complaint with the Cisco VPN client.  
> It's not smart
> >} enough to differentiate local traffic/Internet traffic from VPN
> >} traffic.  Therefore, you can't browse the Internet and 
> your VPN network at
> >} the same time.
> >
> >      It is.  However, the server gets to decide if it will. 
>  Doing so,
> >is opening yourself to a great big security hole.  Most 
> desktops aren't
> >properly locked down.  If a desktop is allowed to use a VPN 
> tunnel and
> >the general internet at the same time, then you are opening the
> >protected network to being hacked by somebody hopping through the
> >desktop.  Do you really want to do this?
> >
> >} I've done some preliminary searches for third-party 
> clients, but don't
> >want
> >} to waste time trying 50 clients that may not be any good.  
> I've found some
> >} for Mac OS X that'll do what I want, but I haven't found 
> one for Win
> >} 9x/ME/NT/2K/XP.
> >
> >      Win 2K/XP come with IPSec built-in and don't really need a
> >client.  Max OSX may have it built-in as well.
> >
> >}-- End of excerpt from "Craig Columbus"




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