I think that everyone agrees that in order to pass the CCIE lab, you have to spend a decent amount of time in a lab playing with scenarios and technologies you might otherwise have never experienced in a real life network, or experienced it so long ago that you don't have any where else to test and learn it. No matter who you are, you are going to have to get "some" of your experience for the CCIE lab in a lab on your own, not a production network. Perhaps some people do get all of their experience in a production network..or several production networks and I am not going to dispute that, but it is certainly the exception, not the rule.
I think the problem here is with people who get "all" of their experience in a lab network. Today, it is possible to pass the CCIE written and lab with little to no real world experience and that is not what the CCIE is about. I can hardly fault someone who has the time, money and desire to sit down and attempt the CCIE without much real world experience because I am seeing more and more employers looking for entry to mid-level network engineers with CCIE's required or highly desired. I don't think that was the original intent of the CCIE either. The CISSP already does, or is going to require that you send your resume in with your "application" to be a CISSP. In fact, they audit them to make sure that people aren't lying on their applications. I don't claim to know all the details of the CISSP certification process, but what would something like this do for the CCIE program? It appears to keep the CISSP relavent. Does it really? -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Routin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611] Nice of you to take Jeff's words and use them out of context. I believe what Jeff meant is that as we are experienced network engineers pursuing CCIE certification, we should set up a lab for practice as we cannot perform the necessary configurations on our production networks. The thing you forgot to mention while taking liberities with his words is that lab rats do not know what a production network looks like. JR -- Johnny Routin The "Routin" One ""cebuano"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Excerpt from Doyle's Vol.2 page 792. > "Labs also provide an area of the network where you can just play around > with the commands, testing the effect of misconfigurations and practicing > troubleshooting. The lab can be used in this way for training and CCIE > preparation. Only with a lab can you THOROUGHLY experiment with > configurations, break things to see what happens, and determine what > symptoms identify misconfigurations." > > This is exactly how we are all educated in colleges and universities. > Remember the labs in Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Human Anatomy... > So for those of you that have no respect for lab rats, you might need > to rethink your opinions. > I say more swiss cheese to lab rats! > > Elmer > P.S. Don't forget the wine. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44620&t=44611 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
