there's a positive reason to say all that stuff as if to say, " and it's not that I'm a slouch. I have been able to succeed with other technology." I've personally had tons of trouble getting going with clojure, and I use java all the time. I think the ideas in clojure are awesome, and I like the language, but if folks have never looked at Fan/Fantom ... as far as getting into it, *that's* about the gentlist you can get into anything. The website was written in Fantom, it's a one stop shop for getting started ... not that I like that language better or anything, but, seriously ... that's a fun exercise. It's very inviting and welcoming and I wish that a page could be taken from that approach -- I think he wouldn't have had any of the same opinions if it had.
And I realize I'm not being very concrete: I'd had plans to write up what I thought some specific differences were. Now I'm just left with an impression ... an impression that Fantom wants you to LOVE that language . . . .and an impression of clojure that you have to want to love clojure (so then you have to make a lot of complicated arguments as to why that is so, which, by the way, I think are beautifully presented in Clojure In Action). And don't get me started on trying to get emacs or vi all hooked up on my mac. I've never succeeded. Summary: I agree to some extent. clojure is awesome. I wish I could use it at work, but it's an incredibly hard thing to sell. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Quzanti <quza...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Reading his post I got the impression he was a bit of an egocentric (a > bit more information about himself than was relevant), those sorts > tend to overreact. > > However I can imagine the whole just bung the jar file on your > classpath thing wouldn't make much sense for a java newbie. It may > highlight the need for some special 'getting started' documentation > for Lisp programmers who have never used java, which I understand to > be one target audience of clojure. > > > > > I don't understand the complaints about installing Clojure. As far as I > know > > there's nothing required to 'install' Clojure beyond downloading the > > clojure.jar, other than I guess having a working Java installation. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<clojure%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
