2011/9/3 Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> > For me, unlearning 15 years of OO and Java/j2ee makes a trifle thing like a > new environment a walk in the park :) > > My semi-serious point is that as a beginner the question being answered is > more like "what is it all about" and "how can I try these samples/examples" > rather than "how do I do 'proper' enterprise development with this". The > best answer for the former isn't necessarily the best answer for the later. > > Getting started should be the smallest set of steps possible; the REPL. > There is no "beginner" solution involving an IDE because they are all full > of their own complexity. Clooj seems the simplest but you still need to > create projects which is one step too far for getting started >
I had the same remark last time I checked it, indeed. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 3 Sep 2011, at 19:49, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sean, I agree with you, of course > > 2011/9/3 Sean Corfield < <seancorfi...@gmail.com>seancorfi...@gmail.com> > >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Kevin Downey < <redc...@gmail.com> >> redc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I spent a lot of time on a windows netbook writing solutions to euler >> > project problems notepad++ and just pasting the functions into a repl >> > running in a console. It worked great. >> >> Yup, and that's just fine _for you_ but you are not the target >> demographic being discussed :) For folks comfortable with a command >> line and a simple text editor, the REPL is a very reasonable "first >> step". I come from a Unix background in the 80's and, like you, I'm >> perfectly happy with a REPL and vim - but these days I live in Eclipse >> so, for me, CCW is the best choice (with a live REPL open in Eclipse >> all the time). >> >> I guess the question is: how serious are we about catering to the >> general developer at large? My experience over the years, dealing with >> a lot of Windows developers, is what makes me push back on this. I've >> seen a very large number of experienced developers on Windows who >> don't know how to do anything on the command line - if it doesn't have >> a GUI, they won't touch it. >> >> So, do we want to help those developers learn Clojure? >> >> If our consensus answer as a community is "no", that's fine but I just >> want us to be clear about that. The Scala community get flak for a >> widely perceived attitude that says "if you're too dumb to understand >> the type system, go away and stop bothering us". I hear from a lot of >> Clojure n00bs who find the focus on the command line (and the focus on >> Emacs!) to be very off-putting. I'd rather we didn't alienate those >> folks but I don't know how the Clojure community as a whole feels >> about that? >> -- >> Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN >> An Architect's View -- <http://corfield.org/>http://corfield.org/ >> World Singles, LLC. -- <http://worldsingles.com/>http://worldsingles.com/ >> Railo Technologies, Inc. -- <http://www.getrailo.com/> >> http://www.getrailo.com/ >> >> "Perfection is the enemy of the good." >> -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to <clojure@googlegroups.com> >> clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> <clojure%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en> >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to <clojure@googlegroups.com> > clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > <clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en> > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
