Also, I've been considering having a non-side-effecty way of returning test
results. What do people think? It would get rid of the last bit of magic in
the lib.
;; current style (side-effecty)
(defn test-1 []
(let [foo (get-foo)]
(expect empty? foo)
(expect awesome? foo)))
;; proposed style (more functional)
(defn test-1 []
(let [foo (get-foo)]
[(expect empty? foo)
(expect awesome? foo)]))
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Steven Degutis <sbdegu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First, the goal of Verily was not the same as Test2. It wasn't intended to
> unify any existing test libs. It was really just meant to succeed
> clojure.test in spirit. That's all.
>
> Second, nobody "bullied" me into this decision. Some people asked how
> Verily improved upon the alternatives, and, try as I might, I couldn't come
> up with any good answer. That's how I realized that the project was
> pointless, a waste of time, and was wrought in arrogance.
>
> But, whether it really is useful to anyone else, that's not my decision to
> make. So I'm putting it back up and letting the community be the judge of
> that. https://github.com/evanescence/verily -- I'll still rename it
> though, soon.
>
> -Steven
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Jay Fields <j...@jayfields.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never spoken to Steven in anything that wasn't a public email to
>> this list, so it wasn't me. I'm not sure who the self-proclaimed project
>> guardians are, but I just wanted to make sure no one thought I was trying
>> to "protect" https://github.com/jaycfields/expectations in anyway.
>>
>> I don't actually think there's much value in unifying the infrastructure,
>> but I agree with Meikel that no one has the right to tell you what you can
>> and cannot work on. My *opinion* is that it's a waste of your (Steven's)
>> time, but it costs me nothing for you (Steven) to try. If I'm wrong then we
>> all benefit, which is obviously a good thing. I mean, we're all here
>> because Rich wanted something better, right?
>>
>> That said, if all you want is the ability to run the different styles of
>> tests side by side, start sending pull requests to align the internals of
>> the 3. I can't imagine any of Brian, Micah, and I would have a problem with
>> you tweaking internals that might allow more people to use our software.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer (kotarak) <m...@kotka.de
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Am Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2013 08:14:15 UTC+2 schrieb Steven Degutis:
>>>>
>>>> It's been brought to my attention that this project is an utter waste
>>>> of time, brings no real improvement over the existing solutions, and was
>>>> wrought in complete arrogance. So I've deleted the project. Sorry for
>>>> wasting a thread on this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Wat? Don't let yourself be pushed by self-proclaimed project guardians.
>>> If you saw any use of your library, then by-all-means you should continue
>>> it! Even if there are other libraries already, you'll maybe come up with
>>> the cool new feature. Who knows. The worst that can happen is that you
>>> learned yourself a lot about doing things. And that is always a win.
>>>
>>> From your message I get the impression that the act of "bringing things
>>> to your attention" was done in a rather non-diplomatic way. Feel free to
>>> make things public in such a case (maybe the case itself, not the names of
>>> the people involved). I don't think that this an appropriate behaviour for
>>> a community like clojure's. Especially since it is not done in public. It
>>> is absolutely arrogant to judge other people's projects in such a way. The
>>> other person has no right whatsoever to tell you which projects you should
>>> pursue and which not.
>>>
>>> Meikel
>>>
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