I think I may have been the one on IRC that provoked you to this decision Steven, so I'm happy that you've put the project back up. I certainly never intended that you not build something to suit your own purposes, and I absolutely didn't intend to suggest you shouldn't put software out there for other people to use.
I said explicitly at one point that you may want to consider adding the features you found missing to the libraries that are already out there--and I still think this could be a really useful thing to do--but that was responding to your points about what you felt was missing from those libs. I never meant to suggest you were being arrogant by putting something out there in the world, or that this project was pointless or a waste of time--that's not something I would ever want to make anyone feel about anything they'd worked on. So I sincerely apologize if what I said came off that way, and I'll work on being more diplomatic in how I phrase things in the future. All the best, and I look forward to seeing how the project develops--don't give up on it, and don't give up on trying new things and putting them out there in the world for people to see! Dave (2013/07/24 22:16), Steven Degutis wrote: > First, the goal of Verily was not the same as Test2. It wasn't intended > to unify any existing test libs. It was really just meant to succeed > clojure.test in spirit. That's all. > > Second, nobody "bullied" me into this decision. Some people asked how > Verily improved upon the alternatives, and, try as I might, I couldn't > come up with any good answer. That's how I realized that the project was > pointless, a waste of time, and was wrought in arrogance. > > But, whether it really is useful to anyone else, that's not my decision > to make. So I'm putting it back up and letting the community be the > judge of that. https://github.com/evanescence/verily -- I'll still > rename it though, soon. > > -Steven > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Jay Fields <j...@jayfields.com > <mailto:j...@jayfields.com>> wrote: > > I've never spoken to Steven in anything that wasn't a public email > to this list, so it wasn't me. I'm not sure who the self-proclaimed > project guardians are, but I just wanted to make sure no one thought > I was trying to "protect" https://github.com/jaycfields/expectations > in anyway. > > I don't actually think there's much value in unifying the > infrastructure, but I agree with Meikel that no one has the right to > tell you what you can and cannot work on. My *opinion* is that it's > a waste of your (Steven's) time, but it costs me nothing for you > (Steven) to try. If I'm wrong then we all benefit, which is > obviously a good thing. I mean, we're all here because Rich wanted > something better, right? > > That said, if all you want is the ability to run the different > styles of tests side by side, start sending pull requests to align > the internals of the 3. I can't imagine any of Brian, Micah, and I > would have a problem with you tweaking internals that might allow > more people to use our software. > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer (kotarak) > <m...@kotka.de <mailto:m...@kotka.de>> wrote: > > > Am Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2013 08:14:15 UTC+2 schrieb Steven Degutis: > > It's been brought to my attention that this project is an > utter waste of time, brings no real improvement over the > existing solutions, and was wrought in complete arrogance. > So I've deleted the project. Sorry for wasting a thread on this. > > > Wat? Don't let yourself be pushed by self-proclaimed project > guardians. If you saw any use of your library, then by-all-means > you should continue it! Even if there are other libraries > already, you'll maybe come up with the cool new feature. Who > knows. The worst that can happen is that you learned yourself a > lot about doing things. And that is always a win. > > From your message I get the impression that the act of "bringing > things to your attention" was done in a rather non-diplomatic > way. Feel free to make things public in such a case (maybe the > case itself, not the names of the people involved). I don't > think that this an appropriate behaviour for a community like > clojure's. Especially since it is not done in public. It is > absolutely arrogant to judge other people's projects in such a > way. 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