I disagree, when I use tracing fns and other useful REPL tools, I like to have them included without having to prefix them with an alias.
It's not a hack it's a feature and you are free to use it or not. If code writers do not care about code readers it's a choice, maybe bad but that decision is not yours to take. It's theirs in their own context. Now this thread has slowly shifted to "can we streamline how we express this feature" to "lets forbid this feature to be used". If ends up creating such "policies" enforced by the language, it's the wrong route. My answer to such proposals is a definite "no". This a red line to me that should not be crossed. Luc P. > > I hate it mainly in blogs, where they explain some new API. They :use > like 3 namespaces and you have to guess which fn is from which ns :) > > Agree. > Code is read much more often than it is written, so omitting a few > character is not effective time-saving. > I also don't like :refer :all. > I think it should be considered hack rather than official feature. > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:17:02 AM UTC+9, Jozef Wagner wrote: > > > > +1, :use is IMO an antipattern. > > > > I hate it mainly in blogs, where they explain some new API. They :use like > > 3 namespaces and you have to guess which fn is from which ns :) > > > > JW > > > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:50:50 PM UTC+2, Greg Slepak wrote: > >> > >> I think I read somewhere that :use is no longer encouraged, but I could > >> be mistaken. > >> > >> From what I've read, it seems like most people agree that Clojure has too > >> many ways of including/importing/referencing/requiring/using things: > >> > >> > >> http://blog.8thlight.com/colin-jones/2010/12/05/clojure-libs-and-namespaces-require-use-import-and-ns.html > >> > >> > >> The above gives a very nice explanation of all the various difference, > >> but it also acknowledges their complexity. > >> > >> Since :use uses :require, and since :require can do everything that :use > >> can, can we simplify Clojure programming a bit for newcomers by > >> deprecating > >> the use of :use? The situation in ClojureScript is even worse because it > >> adds :require-macros on top of all the other ways of including files. > >> > >> Ideally, it would be awesome if there was just a single directive for > >> everything, but perhaps there's some complicated low-level reason why > >> that's not possible. :-\ > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Greg > >> > >> P.S. If this has already been brought up you have my sincere apologies. > >> > >> -- > >> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing > >> with the NSA. > >> > >> > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Softaddicts<lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
