Sorry to hear about you troubles.  Everyone has given great advice.  My 
advice is remember the little train from the children's books.  He says, "I 
think I can , I think I can, I think I can! I think I can!!.  Then he 
looked back and said "I did It".  We all know you can too.


18's
Richard H.


On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 11:23:31 AM UTC-5, Beth wrote:

> Dear Joyce,
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for your reply. I apologize for not responding sooner. I 
> have not been feeling great. I go up and down, undetectable and showing but 
> with very low numbers....what is considered a major molecular 
> remission...with CML testing positive. My struggles have always been the 
> side effects and y body's capacity to tolerate the drugs. They do work for 
> me which is great!  this past year, post a botched lower back surgery and 
> the subsequent second surgery to correct the fist one..seemed to erupt 
> something in me and I am struggling with significant lymphedema/lipoedema. 
> So, I am wearing compression garments, on legs, arms and torso except when 
> I sleep.it's been debilitating in terms of movement..There is also no 
> cure, like CL, just management...I don't know how this happened but it's 
> here and I have to learn to live with it and manage it.while so many others 
> have it so much worse, I try to stay positive, and be forward looking, with 
> gratitude for what I do have, but this is taking a toll on my spirit. It 
> feels lonely and isolating. People stare at you. it can be a cruel world. 
> All I want is to feel well and strong in my body...I am doing everything I 
> know to do..
>
> If anyone here has had this type of reaction from taking a TKI, 
> specifically sprycel..please let me know. It is clear, from my constantly 
> elevated CPK which is rising, and the lack of healthy collagen  and muscle 
> building capacity in my body that sprycel is inhibiting more than the 
> protein that causes CML. I am hopeful for new drugs that will be developed 
> in the future that might work better for me. I miss everyone and send love 
> and 18's to all of you..big group hug!!!
>
> Beth 
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joyce Mesnarich <joy...@htc.net <javascript:>>
> To: cmlhope <cml...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 12:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [CMLHope] New results
>
> Thanks Beth, 
> I think these TKIs are so new that they do not fully know all the side 
> effects, and especially not the long term ones.  We are confident in his 
> doctor and he is watching it closely.  Have you reached "undetectable" on 
> your low dose of tasigna?   
>          Thanks for your good thoughts. 
>                 Joyce in IL 
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:36 PM, bkbarney via CMLHope wrote: 
>
> Hi Joyce, I am so glad that your husband's CML numbers are going in the 
> right direction. The cml journey is often a balancing act, between the 
> right dosage and side effects...Maybe your husband could be on 150 of 
> busutinif with time??? It seems that 200 put him close to remission. I had 
> to go off tasigna because of elevated liver enzymes, 10 X normal. Going off 
> the med for a short time to give the liver a rest, and then using  the 
> lowest possible successful dosage...seems to work for some people. I hope 
> your husband's liver calms down. I will keep my fingers crossed. 18's Beth
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Joyce Mesnarich < joy...@htc.net <javascript:>> 
> To: cmlhope < cml...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> 
> Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 7:50 pm 
> Subject: Re: [CMLHope] New results 
>
> Jeanie, 
> I know you have been dealing with that pain for a long time.  Medicine has 
> come so far and yet the Good Lord holds some secrets from us.  I hope in 
> Sept they will get a clue as to the pain's cause. 
>          Joyce in IL 
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:20 AM, 'Icandoallttc' via CMLHope wrote: 
>
> Just wanted to say that I take OTC pain killers and have tried 
> prescription ones. I have a right side pain that won't go away and they 
> can't find out what it is. Nothing seems to help the pain.    
> They are doing a ct scan in Sept to see if they can find it but they have 
> already done that with no luck.  Blessings  
>
> My Motto: Faith and Pills 
> Jeanie \uD83D\uDC1F\uD83D\uDC1F18,s  
> Dx 1/2004. CML Leukemia 
> Started Gleevec 2/2004 
> Started Tasigna  9/2009 
> Started Sprycel 11/2009 
> Started Ponatinib January 2015 
> Dr Balducci Moffitt Cancer Center 
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:14 PM, "'Icandoallttc' via CMLHope" < 
> cml...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: 
>
> Hi Joyce.  
> It looks like your liver counts are 1-10% common to increase on that drug. 
>  Read the information that comes with the meds.   Read the whole document 
> through.  
> They will stabilize as well as other side effects.   
> It seems I will go from one side effect to another as time passes.  
> Fight on.  Good luck.  
>
> My Motto: Faith and Pills 
> Jeanie \uD83D\uDC1F\uD83D\uDC1F18,s  
> Dx 1/2004. CML Leukemia 
> Started Gleevec 2/2004 
> Started Tasigna  9/2009 
> Started Sprycel 11/2009 
> Started Ponatinib January 2015 
> Dr Balducci Moffitt Cancer Center 
>
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:43 PM, Joyce Mesnarich < joy...@htc.net 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
>
> Jeanie, 
> Thanks for your interest and suggestion.  We have gone over all his other 
> meds with doctors and nothing should affect the liver.  He doesn't take any 
> OVC pain meds, or any pain meds.  And he does not drink alcohol.  The 
> primary doctor says that the drug information for bosulif says it can cause 
> liver problems, but Dr Talpaz is less certain of that and he is the 
> specialist.  He says he is watching it closely and I guess we will just 
> trust him.  Wayne is getting blood tests every other week locally and they 
> are sent to Dr Talpaz.  The liver enzyme levels seem to have stabilized, 
> although they are elevated.  As you say, faith and pills.  One of Wayne's 
> mottos is "Better living through chemistry".  LOL  I think that used to be 
> part of a TV ad for a large chemical company, maybe Du Pont or Monsanto. 
>
>               Joyce in IL 
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:32 AM, 'Icandoallttc' via CMLHope wrote: 
>
> Be careful with his diet.  Ovc pain pills hurt the liver as well as other 
> drugs we take.  Ask your pharmacy if any other drugs he take are hurting 
> his liver.  It's hard but maybe they can figure out something.  
> Good luck.  
>
> My Motto: Faith and Pills 
> Jeanie \uD83D\uDC1F\uD83D\uDC1F18,s  
> Dx 1/2004. CML Leukemia 
> Started Gleevec 2/2004 
> Started Tasigna  9/2009 
> Started Sprycel 11/2009 
> Started Ponatinib January 2015 
> Dr Balducci Moffitt Cancer Center 
>
> On Jul 22, 2015, at 2:01 PM, lrc lrc < knees...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> Joyce does he drink alcohol? 
> On Jul 22, 2015 1:43 PM, "margood18 via CMLHope" < cml...@googlegroups.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
>
>> Joyce, so glad to hear that your husband's PCR is lower and I hope that 
>> his liver function will steady.  Best wishes to both of you. 
>>
>> Marcie 
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Joyce Mesnarich < joy...@htc.net <javascript:>> 
>> To: cmlhope < cml...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> 
>> Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2015 12:16 pm 
>> Subject: [CMLHope] New results 
>>
>> Hello everyone.  I have not had time to contribute for awhile.  But I must 
>> let
>> you all know the results of my husband's PCR at his last visit to Dr Talpaz. 
>>  He
>> was taken off Sprycel due to pleural effusion and we were hoping his
>> undetectable would hold....but it did not.  He was subsequently put on 
>> bosulif
>> and not showing much improvement after 3 months.  So his dosage was changed 
>> from
>> 100 mg to 200 mg.  And now, after 3 more months, his PCR went from 8.7 to
>> 0.127!!  Hopefully in another 3 months he will once again reach
>> undetectable.
>>
>> The downside of his test results is that the liver function
>> tests have increased a lot.  The doctor will not really say that bosulif is 
>> to
>> blame, but nothing else has changed.  Has anyone of you CML warriors had any
>> problems with the liver while on TKI's?  Was there any treatment to help the
>> liver?
>>
>> God bless you all.
>>
>>             Joyce in IL
>>
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