Whoa there partner.... very controversial question. You might have better luck asking which religion is best, or Coke vs Pepsi, or whether the toilet paper should be "over" or "under".
Honestly, I think it leads to fewer screwups. On the dip pole you have to put the line in the jaw a particular direction...and it's sometimes not intuitive. Yes...dip pole jibes have happened on other boats for centuries and have never ever been screwed up. :) But not mine. Maybe my crew just has lower IQ than the rest of the list that dip-poles. The moving frame of reference throws off my crew and we end up with the line zigzagging thru the jaw and wrapped around it. Also, I could never get the coordination between mast man, bowman, and pit to move the topping lift, car, and trip the pole all in the right timing, sequence, or direction, to actually DIP the pole. We've not had nearly the same level of problems with end-for-end. Also, with end-for-end, you only really need a bowman to do the maneuver. Possibly a little help from the pit to drop the pole a few feet if he's short. But other than that, it's all in the bowman's hands. (Don't need the mast man for the maneuver.) So I can fly the chute with one less crew compared to dip pole. Safety is a wash..... you either have a 13' pole hanging on a line with both ends detached, but unloaded..... or you have a 13' pole attached to the mast but the free end moving at a high rate of speed toward your bowman on the pointy end. Neither is inherently safer than the other. (IMHO). Then again, ships are safe tied to the dock, but that's not what ships are for. I've never understood the switch-hitters. It's not clear to me why when the winds are up you want to send people to the farthest end of the boat with the most motion. Either way the chute spends a few seconds totally free flying, and if you have 2 hands on the pole, supported by the topping lift, not sure the big deal. Seems like it's better to control the pole from the middle, but it's just MHO. -Keith M C&C 35-3 -----Original Message----- From: Joel Aronson [mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 16:40 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List WTB and Re: C&C 35Mk III Spinnaker Sheets / Guys Keith, Is an end for end gybe easier/faster/safer than a dip pole on a 35? Joel Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" <keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> wrote: > I assume you are talking about how we jibe after detaching the lazy > guy... > > We are likely to take off the lazy guy only on long-ish legs with few if > any jibes. (think point to point races) > But, if we need to jibe, we hook it back up. > Since we only drop the lazy guy on really light winds, it's no big deal. > > If we are likely to be jibing back and forth a lot, we don't take it > off. > > > -Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Hall [mailto:wh...@alum.mit.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:48 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List WTB and Re: C&C 35Mk III Spinnaker Sheets / Guys > > How do you jibe this setup? Do you have to attach a guy during the > jibe? That sounds tricky! > > My boat is new to me and came with an asymmetric chute that doesn't > measure well for PHRF - it's pretty small, yet I'm penalized for it on > the rating. Any former racers out there have a functional symmetric > chute that they'd like to part with? How about a pole? Ideally, luff > length would be 50', foot / mid-girth would be 27'9" and pole would be > 15'5" > > Bill Hall > 1985 C&C 37 Starfire > Stamford, CT > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR > <keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> wrote: >> On Beyond the Sea, we've had a few different setups. >> >> Originally we had 3/8" stayset for the sheets and an older, >> sorta-low-stretch 1/2" line for guys. >> >> I've never really had issues with the sheets, but the guys were too >> stretchy and in any sort of reaching condition they'd let the pole > bang >> the forestay. >> >> This year we upgraded all of it. >> >> I used 3/8" ultra-tech for guys. With ronstan snap shackles and donuts >> to protect pole jaw >> >> For spin sheets, I spliced 1/4" spectra to some 3/8" Samson "LS" line, >> with the spectra exposed. Effectively a stripped line, but without >> paying "spectra-prices" for the part that is laying on the cockpit > floor >> under no load. I think I went with 20' stripped, but I'd make it less >> if I had to do again. Maybe 15' next time. >> >> For shackles, I seem to do the opposite of everyone. >> >> I go for large bales for the spin sheets and small bales for the guys. >> My reasoning is this: the rings for the clews are sorta small, and >> there's not room for both shackles to attach, so I attach the sheet to >> the clew, and the guy to the sheet's shackle. Hence the need for a >> large bale for the sheet. >> >> This allows us to take the guys off for light air nights without >> struggling with getting it out of the small-ish ring on the clew. >> >> I probably could stop using sheets and guys, and instead just go > SHEETS >> with twings...but I have the crew all trained on sheets and guys, no >> need to solve a problem that isn't there. And yes, we end-for-end with >> this setup. >> >> -Keith M >> C&C 35-3 >> "Beyond the Sea" >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Indigo [mailto:ind...@thethomsons.us] >> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:24 >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List C&C 35Mk III Spinnaker Sheets / Guys >> >> I am thinking of getting new spinnaker sheets made up this winter for >> Indigo. I will probably go with standard snap-shackles as the Tylaska >> shackles are a luxury I do not really need. I was wondering what line >> is recommended by other 35MKIII listers, and whether it makes sense to >> remove the cover (and how much). I will be sticking with my older > guys >> for at least another year or so. >> >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> Indigo >> >> 35MIII - Southport CT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > -- > William D. 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