I think the rule sez that it has to be a pole attached to the mast. Can't be
held by a person.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

 

Self policing sport:
We have been racing in non-spinnaker class, and we always have new people
aboard learning.  And I'm still learning myself.  
In a very short race, with drifter light winds, my crew tried to use a boat
hook to hold out the genoa clew.  The boat behind said it was illegal.  I
asked their skipper to confirm and he agreed, so we put it away and rigged
our spin pole, which took us a long time because we had to setup the pole
lift, and are so green.  I always wondered if I was naive about using a boat
hook.  I'd like to rig a 4 ft strut on each side of the boat for pushing the
genoa out.  The spin pole is inefficient, because it is 15 ft long.
Thoughts?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

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From: "Eric Baumes" <eric.bau...@gmail.com>
To: "Michael Cotton" <mpc51...@yahoo.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

If your regulations limit the pole to J and someone breaks that, then they
should be protested. If you think it is ignorance on their part you can
politely inform them of their error and ask them to RAF for the race. If
they tell you to flip off, protest them. All it takes is one or two people
to get chucked from a race to stop the behavior.

 

We are for the most part a self policing sport and rely on others to inform
us when we break a rule and we are expected to either accept the penalty or
get protested. Our RC is often staffed by one-design sailors who are not
aware of all the PHRF regs. 

 

You could probably snap a picture with your phone to show the illegal
extension.

 

Best,

 

Eric

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Michael Cotton <mpc51...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

I agree. This is unsportsmen like conduct. Cheating, period. The last boat I
had with a adjustable pole had a cable swedged between the eyes so it could
not be extended beyound "J".
michael Cotton

 

 

 

 


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From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 10:02 AM


Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

 

This is cheating.  No different than skipping a mark or breaking any other
rule.  I hoe the violators are protested

 

In PHRFNS whisdker pole and spinnaker are treated the same and cannot exceed
J and must be attached to mast

 


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

PHRF New England is the same; whisker pole length <= J, but many boats with
the telescoping poles are getting away with an unfair handicap advantage.  I
think there's not as much scrutiny on the non-spin fleets. 

 

Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT

 

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net> wrote:

Eric,

 

PHRF of the Chesapeake limits our pole to <= J.  If your pole is longer than
that, you declare it and accept a rating adjustment.  We have a couple of
local boats that seem to have awfully long poles (without any PHRF
adjustment).

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Baumes
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:27 PM


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

 

Some YRAs have moved to giving separate spin/nspin ratings because boats
with a fractional rig and blade jib (usually sprit boats) are viewed as
disadvantaged downwind with no spinnaker as they don't have a big jib to
pole out. From what I have seen mast head rigs pretty much always have the
same spin. 

 

On the Hudson River the base non-spin rating assumes you have a whisker pole
that can be extended to 1.5 of J. if you use a pole that is significantly
less that your largest declared LP (e.g. a spinnaker pole with a 155%) you
can get a up to a 6 sec credit.

 

Eric

 

C&C 34/36

 

PS repeating above, spin and nospin race in different fleets.


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