Chuck, I went through the same thought process some years back. The PHRF rules
around here (ChesBay) are that you are limited to the length of the J
measurement, which I guess in your case is 15 feet. You may use your spin pole,
but a lighter one would be handier for the genoa (less load). I found a used
pole and am using that - it is a telescoping pole so I put a band around the
pole to show the crew and competitors how far the pole can be legally extended.
I discussed this with our local PHRF handicapper and rules guru and he advised
me that you cannot use something off the shrouds or toe rail or anywhere else
but the mast. If you had a really long boat hook...... and a way to attach it
to the mast.....
Gary Nylander
St. Michaels
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck S
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
Self policing sport:
We have been racing in non-spinnaker class, and we always have new people
aboard learning. And I'm still learning myself.
In a very short race, with drifter light winds, my crew tried to use a boat
hook to hold out the genoa clew. The boat behind said it was illegal. I asked
their skipper to confirm and he agreed, so we put it away and rigged our spin
pole, which took us a long time because we had to setup the pole lift, and are
so green. I always wondered if I was naive about using a boat hook. I'd like
to rig a 4 ft strut on each side of the boat for pushing the genoa out. The
spin pole is inefficient, because it is 15 ft long. Thoughts?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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From: "Eric Baumes" <eric.bau...@gmail.com>
To: "Michael Cotton" <mpc51...@yahoo.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:49:12 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
If your regulations limit the pole to J and someone breaks that, then they
should be protested. If you think it is ignorance on their part you can
politely inform them of their error and ask them to RAF for the race. If they
tell you to flip off, protest them. All it takes is one or two people to get
chucked from a race to stop the behavior.
We are for the most part a self policing sport and rely on others to inform
us when we break a rule and we are expected to either accept the penalty or get
protested. Our RC is often staffed by one-design sailors who are not aware of
all the PHRF regs.
You could probably snap a picture with your phone to show the illegal
extension.
Best,
Eric
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Michael Cotton <mpc51...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree. This is unsportsmen like conduct. Cheating, period. The last boat
I had with a adjustable pole had a cable swedged between the eyes so it could
not be extended beyound "J".
michael Cotton
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From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
This is cheating. No different than skipping a mark or breaking any
other rule. I hoe the violators are protested
In PHRFNS whisdker pole and spinnaker are treated the same and cannot
exceed J and must be attached to mast
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
PHRF New England is the same; whisker pole length <= J, but many boats
with the telescoping poles are getting away with an unfair handicap advantage.
I think there's not as much scrutiny on the non-spin fleets.
Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net>
wrote:
Eric,
PHRF of the Chesapeake limits our pole to <= J. If your pole is longer
than that, you declare it and accept a rating adjustment. We have a couple of
local boats that seem to have awfully long poles (without any PHRF adjustment).
Jake
Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Baumes
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
Some YRAs have moved to giving separate spin/nspin ratings because
boats with a fractional rig and blade jib (usually sprit boats) are viewed as
disadvantaged downwind with no spinnaker as they don't have a big jib to pole
out. From what I have seen mast head rigs pretty much always have the same
spin.
On the Hudson River the base non-spin rating assumes you have a whisker
pole that can be extended to 1.5 of J. if you use a pole that is significantly
less that your largest declared LP (e.g. a spinnaker pole with a 155%) you can
get a up to a 6 sec credit.
Eric
C&C 34/36
PS repeating above, spin and nospin race in different fleets.
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