It is supposed to be fun guys.ditch the racing crap the causes arguments about handicaps and handicap adjustments and this and that and just sail.if some guy or gal makes a boat go faster than yours and you like going fast then copy what they have done if you can't come up with your own way to improve boat speed.just sail to have fun, your crew list will grow, everyone will be happier and your blood pressure will drop and you may even get her going faster to boot.handicap racing is so far from a perfect system that no matter what, it will never be right for everyone and you'll never avoid those who wish to 'cheat" the system.real sportsmen all of them and the discussion here lately solidifies that.I am older now but I don't think you could pay me to do a handicap race ever again
Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: February 6, 2013 6:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Chuck, I went through the same thought process some years back. The PHRF rules around here (ChesBay) are that you are limited to the length of the J measurement, which I guess in your case is 15 feet. You may use your spin pole, but a lighter one would be handier for the genoa (less load). I found a used pole and am using that - it is a telescoping pole so I put a band around the pole to show the crew and competitors how far the pole can be legally extended. I discussed this with our local PHRF handicapper and rules guru and he advised me that you cannot use something off the shrouds or toe rail or anywhere else but the mast. If you had a really long boat hook...... and a way to attach it to the mast..... Gary Nylander St. Michaels ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck S <mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Self policing sport: We have been racing in non-spinnaker class, and we always have new people aboard learning. And I'm still learning myself. In a very short race, with drifter light winds, my crew tried to use a boat hook to hold out the genoa clew. The boat behind said it was illegal. I asked their skipper to confirm and he agreed, so we put it away and rigged our spin pole, which took us a long time because we had to setup the pole lift, and are so green. I always wondered if I was naive about using a boat hook. I'd like to rig a 4 ft strut on each side of the boat for pushing the genoa out. The spin pole is inefficient, because it is 15 ft long. Thoughts? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _____ From: "Eric Baumes" <eric.bau...@gmail.com> To: "Michael Cotton" <mpc51...@yahoo.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 4:49:12 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review If your regulations limit the pole to J and someone breaks that, then they should be protested. If you think it is ignorance on their part you can politely inform them of their error and ask them to RAF for the race. If they tell you to flip off, protest them. All it takes is one or two people to get chucked from a race to stop the behavior. We are for the most part a self policing sport and rely on others to inform us when we break a rule and we are expected to either accept the penalty or get protested. Our RC is often staffed by one-design sailors who are not aware of all the PHRF regs. You could probably snap a picture with your phone to show the illegal extension. Best, Eric On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Michael Cotton <mpc51...@yahoo.com> wrote: I agree. This is unsportsmen like conduct. Cheating, period. The last boat I had with a adjustable pole had a cable swedged between the eyes so it could not be extended beyound "J". michael Cotton _____ From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review This is cheating. No different than skipping a mark or breaking any other rule. I hoe the violators are protested In PHRFNS whisdker pole and spinnaker are treated the same and cannot exceed J and must be attached to mast _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review PHRF New England is the same; whisker pole length <= J, but many boats with the telescoping poles are getting away with an unfair handicap advantage. I think there's not as much scrutiny on the non-spin fleets. Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net> wrote: Eric, PHRF of the Chesapeake limits our pole to <= J. If your pole is longer than that, you declare it and accept a rating adjustment. We have a couple of local boats that seem to have awfully long poles (without any PHRF adjustment). Jake Jake Brodersen C&C 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Some YRAs have moved to giving separate spin/nspin ratings because boats with a fractional rig and blade jib (usually sprit boats) are viewed as disadvantaged downwind with no spinnaker as they don't have a big jib to pole out. From what I have seen mast head rigs pretty much always have the same spin. On the Hudson River the base non-spin rating assumes you have a whisker pole that can be extended to 1.5 of J. if you use a pole that is significantly less that your largest declared LP (e.g. a spinnaker pole with a 155%) you can get a up to a 6 sec credit. 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