Back in the late 70's or early 80's when PHRF was picking up speed in the PNW 
(IOR was the dominant rule at the time) it was referred to as Political 
Handicap Rating.

If you want to see how little PHRFNW has progressed in nearly 40 years check 
out the Sailing Anarchy discussion on PHRFNW's unilateral and substantial 
increase in <0 ratings.

I do not have a bone in the fight as Calypso is nowhere close to being a sub 
zero rated boat, in fact I rarely ever consider the class ratings when we race 
the boat as it is not kept in competitive condition.  We budget our sailing 
cost vs. fun ratio in a way that keeps us from buying new sails and polishing 
the bottom paint.

Having said all that PHRF generally allows very different boats to sail against 
each other.  I do find it funny to be rated similar to a Soveral 33 
(+-6,000lbs) or owe time to a <10 year old planning hull design that runs laps 
around a C&C 43 in light air.  I do get even with the sporty boats when in a 
low speed close crossing/mark rounding situation I inform the sporty boat that 
they will need a liferaft before a protest flag if they stick their bow into 
that closing space.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review

Sucks only if you're not in with the handicap committee. If you've got contacts 
on the rating committee and you own a boat that is one of a kind in your area, 
you're golden. That's why I call PHRF racing a "contact" sport.

End of rant.

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Colin Kilgour 
<charliekilo...@gmail.com<mailto:charliekilo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Man.... just skimming all this discussion makes it increasingly clear while 
sailboat racing is in decline.

I've certainly got more than my share of racing trophies on the wall (both 
handicap and one-design) but this handicap stuff really sucks the soul out of 
the sport (IMO, of course)
Cheers,
Colin

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Bill Coleman 
<colt...@verizon.net<mailto:colt...@verizon.net>> wrote:
C&C 39

99

2283

16.9

51.1

45.2

12.7

39.5

32

11.3

6.3

16000

C&C 39 CUS1

99

2277

16.9

51.1

45.2

12.7

39.3

32

11.1

6.3

16000

C&C 39 CUS2

99

2300

16.9

51

45.5

14.4

39.5

32

11.3

6.3

16000

C&C 39 CUS3

99

2303

16.9

52.1

46

14.1

39.5

31.7

11.5

6.3

0


99.  These are our ratings up on the frozen north.    I imagine at least 2 of 
these are not around anymore, all these 4 ratings have modifications, from 
keels to spars.
I am probably the cus3, I got docked 6 seconds for adding a foot to my boom and 
a Roach Which, I might add was worth it.
BTW, that 16000 should be 21000. Which would probably bring these ratings to 
110.
Bill Coleman
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