Hi Mark
Don't let the mast worry you, nor the single handing issue. I can
singlehand Secret Plans fairly easily. I do admit that I keep it on a
mooring, I'd be more worried depending on slip locations if that was a
factor, but the actual sailing is no worries and my only botched docking
event was with a full crew!
With respect the mast, one thing BBYC has the best in the area of, in my
opinion, is mast crane. I've put in masts at AYC and DYC, both their
cranes are not as good. We can put the mast in ours easily - the
biggest hassle in putting my mast up is just getting enough guys to help
move it off the rack, it is a solid 51' of aluminum. The
electric/hydraulic crane is great in that it will haul the mast up where
you want it and hold it indefinitely while things get sorted. If you
proceed with a C&C 30 and need a hand with the mast give me a yell.
Good boat hunting!
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2013-03-19 4:30 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
Graham,
Now I understand the clearance issue - the ability to lift the boat up
on top of the cradle. I guess that could be a challenge. Anyone know
the height of the boat above waterline? I guess it really depends on
the length of the lifting straps, boat width, and height of the boat -
plus the design of the cradle -- might not know for sure until the
first time we try a haul.
I didn't think about the fact that I would need a cradle rather than
jack stands - I'll have to add that to the budget (guessing
$2000-2500). Might be able to find used.
Thanks to everyone for all the comments. If I buy the boat I'm sure I
will have a ton more questions.
Yes, I'm aware the mast on the 30 can't be hand stepped. I watched a
different 30 footer pulling the mast back in the fall - looks like a
pretty tricky job even with a crane.
I know the weight may be pushing the crane capacity - they don't have
a load cell that I know of, but I figure it's technically below the
weight, I'll make sure I'm minimizing load before it's hauled. I'm
pretty sure the current boat I'm looking at is a fin keel, not shoal.
Not planning any racing, but who knows as kids get older. I'll likely
leave the main traveler right where it is for a while.
Looked at a lot of boat options. Also like the C&C 29's. Saw one 33
for sale, good price, but I thought that would be getting too big for
me to solo and maintain. Likely not that much different, but I have
to admit part of me is scared of the jump, the 24 is so easy to handle
and maintain, I'm worried I'm biting off a lot more effort rather than
more sailing!
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
On 19/03/2013 7:44 AM, Graham Collins wrote:
Hi Mark
Belinda would know better than I, so that sounds good.
The extra expense of the big crane is no biggie, but the scheduling
flexibility is indeed a good reason to use club crane.
Not sure how to figure out if there is enough clearance for lifting
the 30 - maybe ask Travis what boat is the biggest and measure the
vertical clearance on it.
And if you are sailing it back don't forget to factor in buying
(having made) a cradle. If you haul with the big crane you can use
jackstands, but with the club crane you obviously need a cradle.
Mine was made by Yachtsmiths over in Dartmouth, it is pretty solid! :-)
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2013-03-19 1:18 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
Graham,
I asked Belinda what the max capacity was for the club crane when I
started thinking about bigger boats - she told me the max lift is
9000lbs - so the 30 should be fine. I'm trying to stay within the
club capacity a)to save the extra expense of the big crane haul and
b)makes timing for launch and haul easier rather than being
scheduled by the big crane availability.
As for height clearance - I'm not sure what I'd be looking at. I
know I had a problem with my Mirage 24 on the club crane - the mast
was too short and the back stay tangled with the hoist -- I had to
remove the stay the one time I lifted the boat with the mast in place.
Not sure how the C&C 30 would fair in that case, but also not sure
if I'd leave the mast up for winter - dropping the mast on the 24
was a 2 person job by hand, I'm guessing the mast on the 30 is a
whole lot heavier!!! -- I'll get into those questions with this list
later if I have the boat.
As for some of the other suggestions. The boat I currently most
interested in has a new diesel in 2000 (Yanmar 18Hp) and a new poly
fuel tank in 2010. The boat is in salt water (Long Island) -
possibly with original rigging.
The boat is a 1979 - no teak/holly floor, but the mast should
already be a bit higher up and not the "roller/reefing" style.
The current mainsheet traveler position looks difficult (easy to
tangle crew, can't use cockpit table under sail and looks hard to
sheet in and out from the helm) -- that said is it safe to move the
traveler to forward of the dodger? - I'd think that would be a huge
change of forces to have it mid-boom rather than end of boom.
I'll put the thru-hulls on the list of upgrades if I get the boat,
as well as making sure the waste tank is solid.
Thanks for all the info. The price on the boat is good (under
$16000 US) - but I'll need to get it home from NY - so I'm trying to
decide between a professional captain delivery, shipping it or
sailing it back myself with a couple buddies.
If all looks good when my SailNet contact checks it out next week
then I'll be looking into a proper survey - make sure the rigging
and engine are solid for trip back to NS.
BTW - any thoughts on importing a boat from the US to Canada? I'm
assuming I'll just be paying HST on the purchase price (I bought a
little bowrider power boat in Boston a few years back - pretty
simple crossing to border, just paid HST --- but not sure how it
works if I'm sailing home)
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
On 18/03/2013 9:03 PM, Graham Collins wrote:
Hello Mark
You might want to recheck with the club, I believe the rating on
the club crane is about 6000 lbs and from what I see the C&C 30 is
around 8000 lbs. Also check the height clearance. I previously
had an Aloha 27, it was a tight fit. I'm not aware of any 30
footers that get hauled with that crane. That said, the annual big
crane launch and haul isn't much of a problem. And I have not
examined the numbers, it may be possible.
I've sailed on Jeff's C&C 30, it is a fine boat and sailed well in
what I'd guess was > 25 knots. He keeps it at AYC. There are lots
of others in the neighborhood.
Hope the search goes well.
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
BBYC, Halifax
On 2013-03-18 4:33 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to the list. Just joined up as I'm getting serious about
moving up to a bigger boat.
Currently sail a Mirage 24 in Halifax NS Canada, bought it last
year, loved getting back on the water, but it's a little small to
spend much time aboard with my 4 kids.
After extensive online research and scanning Yachtworld and local
boats I've narrowed down on trying to get a C&C 30. Seems to be
the right size - small enough to singlehand, and light enough for
our club crane to hoist, but still big enough to spend some time
out on the water.
I've read most everything on the C&C site, including a bunch of
the mailing list archives. Was on a local boat here the other day
- getting an idea of the size and space.
I know the mast step is prone to softening, and the ports will
likely need replacement (if not done already), plus there are the
typical issues with the deck core, chainplates, standing rigging
etc that can be problematic with any older boats.
Any specific advice on things I need to watch for? I have someone
I've chatted with on SailNet who has offered to check out one boat
for me (in Long Island NY there is a nice looking 30 for sale -
new diesel in 2000, well fitted out)
Thanks in advance for the advice,
Mark
There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
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