I am sorry, you are absolutely right, I meant the *keel nuts and washers*,
not bolts. I am, actually glad they are J - bolts, so there is no chance of
them coming off.

*Ahmet*

*Winthrop Yacht Club / Constitution Marina, Boston, MA*

*1990 Irwin 43 CC "Waterdancer"*

*1973 C&C 25 "Tabasco"*



On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You will not be able to remove the bolts without removing the keel and
> even then removing the bolts from the keel is not possible without
> destroying the keel.  The bolts are "J" or "L"  shaped and cast in place.
> I would remove the nut and stainless washer then clean up the threads as
> best possible while in place.  You can probably get away with one bolt at a
> time while in the water and then torque then properly at first haul out.
> If the hull to keel joint is sound I would not intentionally disturb it.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Nov 7, 2015 2:30 PM, "Ahmet via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody,
>> Last August I bought a 1973 C&C 25 "Tabasco" for fun sailing, since I
>> realized that may Irwin 43 "Waterdancer" is a great liveaboard for us, but
>> really not a daysailor :)
>>
>> I love the way Tabasco sails, very easy to handle and fast boat.
>>
>> Being a 43 year old boat, obviously she is an old girl, so here is what I
>> am dealing with:
>>
>> There was *excessive rust *(Picture 1)
>> <http://www.boatjuggler.com/images/pic1.jpg> in the bilge.  After
>> cleaning it up I discovered that there were multiple washers, or a washer
>> and a backing plate under the keel nuts. I said "were" because although the
>> 1.5 inch nut with and the 3 inch washer is in great shape*,whatever once
>> was under the washer is almost totally rusted off*. In some areas 1/3 or
>> more of the washer is up in air, no contact with the bottom of the bilge. 
>> (Picture
>> 2) <http://www.boatjuggler.com/images/pic2.jpg>  and what is left, I am
>> afraid, is ready to crumble away. The bilge was full of crumbled rusted
>> metal pieces.
>>
>> Also there was a *very sloppy work* in the area where the bilge sump is,
>> such that you can actually see the treads of the keel bolt under the
>> washer. (Picture 3) <http://www.boatjuggler.com/images/pic3.jpg>. The *washer
>> is halfway in the air* and not totally aligned with the keelbolt. This
>> one is the part that concerns me the most.
>> Also on that picture you can see parts of the mat having cured in *odd
>> shapes*, in front of the bolt.
>>
>> Perhaps someone at one time has done reinforcing, because *I see a
>> substantial layer *(almost 1/2 in) additional layer of mat about 10
>> inches wide laid up across the bilge on the keelbolt areas.  (Picture 4)
>> <http://www.boatjuggler.com/images/pic4.jpg>
>>
>> Interestingly, there is *no water intrusion* into the bilge, and *no C&C
>> smile*. I suspect it has been this way for years.
>>
>> I would like to *remove the keelbolts*, one at a time, get rid of the
>> rusty part, fair out the bottom of the bilge and install new washers.
>>
>> Unfortunately the *boat is in the water *for wet winter storage.  My
>> question is, should I wait until I haul out next spring to do the bottom
>> paint to do this job, or should I do it now. I have more time over the
>> winter than I will have next spring.
>>
>> Also, I see *no trace of any 5200 *or similar under the washers.
>> Although I have no leaks, I will add that.
>>
>>
>> My questions are:,
>>
>>    - Is it possible that this sloppy work was done at the factory,
>>    considering that this is a 1973 model ?
>>    - Did anybody else have similar issues, if so, any words of wisdom ?
>>    :)
>>    - Could I safely do this in the water ?
>>    - Any suggestions, besides using mat and epoxy to build up the area
>>    around the exposed bolt in  (Picture 3)
>>    <http://www.boatjuggler.com/images/pic3.jpg>.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>> *Ahmet*
>> *Winthrop Yacht Club / Constitution Marina, Boston, MA*
>> *1990 Irwin 43 CC "Waterdancer"*
>> *1973 C&C 25 "Tabasco"*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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