Why don't you start a discussion about replacing
the A4 with something safer, like a diesel? :)
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island
Gone sailing but couldn't resist that one!
At 06:56 AM 07/02/2016, you wrote:
Ok, so it looks like I shouldn't be installing
one of these in the engine compartment of my gasoline powered boat:
Warning - Explosion HazardÂ
1. Heater must be turned off while re-fueling.Â
2. Do not install heater in enclosed areas where
combustible fumes may be present.Â
3. Do not install heaters in engine compartments of gasoline powered boats.
Boo.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Ken Heaton via
CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I've never needed to start the engine to get the
Espar to start. It has always started and run fine off the batteries.
Ken H.
On 6 February 2016 at 14:52, Graham Collins via
CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided
the end of the hose is clear of any fumes you
are good to go. You could connect that through
'to the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced
piece of mind. If you have flammable vapor in
your main cabin then all bets are off...
And these things are pretty miserly, I might go
through a gallon or two while working on the
boat in the winter. So a tiny fuel tank would be adequate.
I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup
draw, I run mine off batteries all the time and have never had an issue.
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
I'm reading the
<http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf>marine
installation manual and have some questions:
- Under safety it reads: "The position of the
combustion air must not allow exhaust fumes or
flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a
gasoline tank in my engine compartment. Does
this preclude me from installing one of these?
- Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank?
I'de like something small that I can top off
from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place
in the lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are
others using if using a separate tank?
Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa
<<mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com>stevanpla...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Russ,
I figure with the newport, the tank is inside
the cabin (somewhere behind the bulkhead I
would imagine, hanging locker on my boat
likely). With the espar/webasto, it's in the
engine compartment. Also with the newport, this
is pretty much how i have to mount it:
<http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg>http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
Starboard I have a dinette and of course the
mast. Port side isn't optimal either. Now that
I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the
venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.Â
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>On Fri, Feb 5,
2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List
<<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
I should have listed install location in the
"Cons:" list of the Newport heater. It can be tricky.
The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead
unit. The D2 has a huge advantage on heat
output on low settings, not to be overlooked.
The Admiral & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank
location with proper venting is the same for
both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak.
The tank can be almost anywhere for either unit
and if elevation is such that gravity feed is
not going to work for the bulkhead heater then
you get a little impulse pump similar to what
the Espar uses. I would see about putting the
tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high
enough and easy to fit a deck fill to keep
everything outside. Either heater would like a
2 - 4 gallon tank since you're looking at up to
1 gallon a day use in cold conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for
retirement cruising I will have both types of
heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1
        Vancouver Island
At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
Russ, I really love the idea of the newport
heaters, to be honest, I like the idea of
solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one
of my favourite things. But the only units
worth getting are expensive wood stove types,
which are super nice, but I can't justify the
expense and they have drawbacks on a boat. The
espar is appealing because it's out of the
way. The problem for me with the diesel
newport is the fuel. I have an A4 powered boat
and one thing I really like about my boat is
that it doesn't smell like diesel! The
bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a
gravity tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure
where I'de have space, maybe in the hanging
locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell.
Most of what I've read about them is good
however and to your point, maybe more heat
than the D2, less money for sure. It's still
an option, will my boat smell like diesel?Ã
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton
via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I
use a propane tent heater the warms the cabin
for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not
dry heat. It takes the chill off, but doesn't
dry the inside on a foggy Maine evening.Ã
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, RIÃ
USA 02840
+401 965Ã 5260
On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via
CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Steve,
ÃÂ I have an esparÃÂ installed by po, no
problems in five years.ÃÂ But, does have
significant current draw at start up.ÃÂ I
need to start engine to fire up unless on
shore power.ÃÂ After it gets going no
problem.ÃÂ Outlet in main cabin, v berthÃÂ and head.ÃÂ
Bill Walker
Pentwater Mi
CnCÃÂ 36
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On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via
CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto
units. Is anyone running one on a 32? There's
a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the
D4. The literature indicates the D2 is good
to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I need the D4 :(
My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend
the season, not living aboard in the winter.
The boat is two hours away so there will be
"maintenance" trips in the spring and fall
which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite cold up there.Ã
I have to keep the temps warm for the boat
parrot who'll be living aboard with us while
we cruise. We're planning three weeks in
August this year so it shouldn't be too much
of an issue but it gets cold up there at
night, even in August. I imagine a D2 would
be fine for cold summer nights but I have
ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel
when the fall colours are out. I don't want
to limit myself. At the same time, I don't
want to spend money that could go elsewhere.Ã
The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters
are pretty but I hear they don't make quite
enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the
cost, but don't want to be disappointed.
Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best.Ã
I'de be doing the installation myself in any
case so am eager to hear from others who have gone through it.Ã
Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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