Electric fuel pump switch. Brilliant! Thanks Joe! I've decided on the Newport Diesel bulkhead job. It's going to end up looking something like this (thought the heater in the pic is the propane version):
http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg with a day tank up and behind in the hanging locker. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I would think twice, three times, and four times before adding any kind of > combustion heater to a gasoline powered boat. Not only can the heater > itself suck gasoline fumes into itself, any of the associated controls and > fans might or might not be ignition protected. I know, like every other C&C > ever made with an Atomic 4, I cook below with an open flame, but that is a > bit different. Most of us would not start the stove if we smelled gasoline > fumes and most of us are not leaving the stove run all night while we > sleep. > > If I were to do this, I would start by having the heater well away from > the engine and mounted as high as possible. Make sure the heater is about > the LAST place in the boat gas fumes would end up. > > Second step would be to install a gasoline fume detector and make sure it > is on whenever the heater is on. > > Third step is do rig your engine to run the gas out of the carb at > shutdown. When I am done with the engine for the day I switch off my > electric fuel pump and let the engine run the gas out of the carb and line. > This prevents the issue of a stuck needle-valve slowly filling the carb > overnight and dispersing fumes. A side benefit is the carb lasts much much > longer before it needs cleaning. > > > > Joe > > Coquina > > C&C 35 MK I > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Graham > Collins via CnC-List > *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 19:23 > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Graham Collins > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation > > > > Hi Bill > > It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should be > running like that. The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and startup > has never been a big power hit. > > Graham Collins > > Secret Plans > > C&C 35-III #11 > > On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote: > > Graham, > Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw. Prior owner > installed in port Lazarette. He is particular guy, all looks well done, > but he told me about current draw and starting engine to get it going. > After its running seems to do fine off twin house batteries. > Bill Walker > CnC 36 > Pentwater, Mi > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > > ------------------------------ > > On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is clear > of any fumes you are good to go. You could connect that through 'to the > main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind. If you have flammable > vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off... > > And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two > while working on the boat in the winter. So a tiny fuel tank would be > adequate. > > I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off > batteries all the time and have never had an issue. > > Graham Collins > > Secret Plans > > C&C 35-III #11 > > On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote: > > I'm reading the marine installation manual > <http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf> > and have some questions: > > > > - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not > allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline > tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of > these? > > > > - Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small > that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the > lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > Suhana, C&C 32 > > Toronto > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Russ, > > > > I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind > the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the > espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this > is pretty much how i have to mount it: > > > http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg > > > > Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't optimal > either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the venting, I'm > not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport. > > > > Steve > > Suhana, C&C 32 > > Toronto > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the Newport > heater. It can be tricky. > > The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge > advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral > & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked. > > Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting > is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The tank can > be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that gravity > feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little > impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting the > tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy to fit a deck > fill to keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon > tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold conditions > maybe a bit less for the D2. > > On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will have > both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :) > > Cheers, Russ > *Sweet *35 mk-1 > Vancouver Island > > > At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote: > > Thanks for the helpful replies, all. > > Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like > the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite > things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types, > which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have > drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way. > The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4 > powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't > smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity > tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the > hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've > read about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat than the > D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like > diesel? > > Steve > Suhana, C&C 32 > Toronto > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater the > warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. It > takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine evening. > > Andy > > C&C 40 > > Peregrine > > Andrew Burton > > PO Box 632 > > Newport, RI > > USA 02840 > > +401 965 5260 > > On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Steve, > >  I have an espar installed by po, no problems in five years. But, > does have significant current draw at start up. I need to start engine to > fire up unless on shore power. After it gets going no problem. Outlet > in main cabin, v berth and head. > > Bill Walker > > Pentwater Mi > > CnC 36 > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > ------------------------------ > > On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running one > on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The > literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I > need the D4 :( > > My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard > in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" > trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite > cold up there. > > I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard > with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so > it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night, > even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I > have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are > out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend > money that could go elsewhere. > > The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they > don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't > want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. > > I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear from > others who have gone through it. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > Suhana, C&C 32 > > Toronto > > _______________________________________________ Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including > unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Email address: > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including > unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Email address: > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > >
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