Patrick, I’m going to be going through the same decision making process that you are. I met with a rigger yesterday to get some suggestions and quotes on replacing the standing (and running) rigging on my boat. There are options, of which I will find out.
When he gets back to me with his list of options and pricing I may be able to help. Right now I’m inclined to continue with Navtec rod rigging. As I may have mentioned, I have already “invested” in the newer K200 tangs. When I have further information, hopefully soon, I will post. Best, Dave Godwin 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > On Nov 19, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Ok, I've found out a lot more in the last 3 weeks, but am frustratingly no > closer to making a decision. All I've learned is that Navtec parts are really > expensive and complex. And that everyone I talk to disagrees with the > previous person (ie, even professional riggers don't agree on what is > recommended + safe) - I suppose this is normal in sailing though. > > I found a few more old threads from the C&C list: > > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2011-November/041498.html > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2011-November/041498.html> > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2014-April/066294.html > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2014-April/066294.html> > > A lot of it seems to come down to the Navtangs. Navtec changed the design > several times (to make improvements), and Navtec had so much employee > turnover that there's only one guy remaining who has been through all the > iterations. > > My previous thinking was based on that my '84 has K150 tangs with SS tie rods > (confirmed by a rigger when we pulled one tang last year). And the tang was > easily unscrewed, which lends me hope the other 3 would also be similar. So I > assumed I could reuse my tangs, because it seems other C&C owners did so, and > last year's rigger said it looked reusable (based on visual inspection). > > However a more conservative rigger basically implied I would be stupid to > reuse it. Navtec recommends replacing them - but Navtec recommends replacing > anything older than 12 years old, so I don't really know what to make of > Navtec's advice (they have no incentive *not* to recommend replacing their > hardware with new hardware of their own). > > A local rigger told me the navtangs are $1000 each. I have 4 of them, so > replacing them would basically double the cost of a rerig (and that's not > counting any labor cost). (I think the $1k/each is an overestimate though - I > found a price online of $500-600). > > It seems like a lot of people who have rerigged haven't actually done full > rerigs - ie, they reused turnbuckles, or tangs. I do agree with the more > conservative rigger that it doesn't make sense to leave a "weak link" in the > system. But I'm not sure whether old navtangs must be automatically condemned > into the category of being a weak link. > > I'm seriously thinking about a wire conversion again, but that has it's own > complications. Has anyone done that on the side shrouds? From archives I know > Calypso did forestay/backstay, but those are easy to convert. The mast tangs > and discontinuous lower spreader junction are the tricky part. > > I found a Youtube channel where they replaced their Navtec rig with wire: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVhj714rleQ > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVhj714rleQ> > > But they have a Niagara 35 with a single spreader rig rather than double, so > that makes it a bit simpler. And the well-known rigger Brion Toss has said > (in his forum) that for a C&C, he would stay with rod, because rod makes a > difference to the responsiveness of C&C's. > > -Patrick > 1984 C&C Landfall 38 > Seattle, WA > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Patrick Davin <jda...@gmail.com > <mailto:jda...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Right, I totally get the mast would need to be pulled if I were reheading. > Doing it one side at a time would take too long. I'm not planning to rehead > though. From what I've heard it seems like reheading only saves a moderate > percentage of money, and getting new rod gives me extra piece of mind that I > did the full job, plus simplifies some things - my backstay hydraulic > adjuster is also dead, so I will replace that at the same time, and if the > new adjuster is a different length, I'll simply order the new backstay to the > proper size. > > I also considered going wire instead of rod, but the rigger I talked to last > year said it might not save that much money converting to wire, considering > the cost of mast tangs or other changes that would need to be made. I could > easily go wire on just the forestay and backstay. But not sure that's worth > the inconsistency. > > Mostly I'm interested in the logistics of doing it DIY - for others that went > that route, what went wrong, what was easy, what was hard, etc. > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:15 AM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Cc: > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 11:01:48 -0400 > Subject: Re: Stus-List Pointers on re rigging an LF38 > If you have rod rigging, the rod needs to be reheaded. It is not a DIY job. > If you want to replace wire, I highly recommend Rigging and and Hardware > www.RiggingAndHardware.com <http://www.riggingandhardware.com/> for great > service and pricing. They did new lifelines for my 44 for about $620. The > rig would have to be down if you want to send them the old wire. If its rod, > shipping is not practical, so they would go on measurements alone. > > Joel > Former 35/3 > Hylas 44 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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