Randy

I'll make you feel. Being a new boat owner  I googled  us coast guard 
documentation saw the web site and filled out the forms for transfer of 
ownership and they took me for 450 but I would never had known I had over paid 
had if not been for your post. 

So next time I'll use the real uscg website.  So thanks for saving me money in 
the future 

Peter

Goonie island C&c 40

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> On Feb 4, 2017, at 11:29 AM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes I found the USCG NVDC to be very straightforward and helpful when I 
> exchanged Grenadine's CoD from her previous owner to me one year ago.  The 
> USCG officers with whom I spoke on the phone were professional and 
> informative, and the website and forms and procedures were easy to understand 
> and easy to use.
> 
> My complaint here is that there a predatory third-party business trying to 
> deceive vessel owners into thinking it is the USCG NVDC, and then bilking 
> them for 3X the cost of what the USCG NVDC charges for the same service.  It 
> succeeded in doing that to me.  Fool me once, shame on me.  I'm not the first 
> person to get screwed by this unscrupulous company and complain about it - 
> see 
> https://www.bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/not-elsewhere-classified/us-marine-surveyors-inc-or-us-vessel-documenta-in-long-beach-ca-646887/reviews-and-complaints
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> From: "phorvati ." <phorv...@gmail.com>
> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: "RANDY" <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 8:56:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deceitful USCG Documentation Renewal Company
> 
> I purchased a tayana fd12 in september, ended up submitting several parts of 
> the application, all per the instruction document.  Few of them were release 
> of primary mortgage bill of sale and exchange of COD.  all via email and pdfs 
> attached.  I was a bit scepticall but the coast guard website was accurate on 
> processing times.  I got the new COD last week.  it was  under 100$.  So it 
> took a bit, my guess was due to request for release of PM.  Coast Guard 
> website works but u need to do your own due diligence, read requirements and 
> fulfill them as required.  
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2017 8:17 PM, "RANDY via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Listers - fair warning - I got deceived today into paying 3X what I needed 
>> to for USCG documentation renewal.  I received a letter via USPS from an 
>> entity named "U.S. Vessel Documentation", domain name uscgdocumentation.us, 
>> titled "Vessel Renewal Courtesy Notice".  As I'm sure the sender intended, I 
>> mistook the letter as being from the United States Coast Guard National 
>> Vessel Documentation Center, reminding me to renew my Certificate of 
>> Documentation.  It's been on my mind that my CoD is expiring soon, and I've 
>> been expecting a reminder.
>> 
>> So I went to uscgdocumentation.us, filled out the renewal form, and 
>> submitted it.  I was surprised to see the price was $75 - I'd remembered the 
>> renewal cost being ~$25 - but I thought "well, the Coast Guard must have 
>> raised their prices", and submitted the form anyway, with my credit card 
>> information.
>> 
>> Somehow sometime after doing that, I noticed fine print at the very bottom 
>> of uscgdocumentation.us web pages, where you wouldn't even normally scroll 
>> or look, saying "U.S. Vessel Documentation is NOT the U.S. Coast Guard or 
>> the National Vessel Documentation Center; we are a third party agency that 
>> handles USCG Documentation processing to NVDC."
>> 
>> So then I went to the real USCG NVDC website, 
>> https://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/default.asp, where I applied for an exchange of 
>> the CoD last year when I bought Grenadine (since she was previously 
>> USCG-documented), and confirmed their renewal fee is only $26 and you can 
>> file for renewal online right there.
>> 
>> At that point I realized I'd been had, and immediately requested 
>> cancellation of my renewal order from that company, in writing, and in voice 
>> mail, and filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the USGC 
>> NVDC about "U.S. Vessel Documentation", and contacted my credit card company 
>> to block the charge from this merchant.  I'm now in the process of posting 
>> about this experience on sailing-related forums I've visited.
>> 
>> If you own a USCG-documented vessel, *DO NOT* do business through the 
>> deceitful company uscgdocumentation.us, unless you don't mind paying 3X the 
>> cost of something you could do directly though 
>> https://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/default.asp.  These "U.S. Vessel Documentation" 
>> people are predatory.
>> 
>> I've posted the letter I received, and an email exchange I had with this 
>> company, at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeU1HcDZKTWdiQzA.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C&C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>> 
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